Re: [FRIAM] A longer response to Dave's question

2020-02-23 Thread Prof David West
Eric, Nick, et.al., "Well, [Dave] here's another nice mess you've gotten me into." My issue/problem/quest — I have a body of "stuff" and I want to determine if there are ways to think about it in a "useful" manner. The "stuff" appears pretty mundane: assertions, observations, conjectures, meta

Re: [FRIAM] Graal VM

2020-02-23 Thread glen
On February 22, 2020 4:31:21 PM PST, Marcus Daniels wrote: >Hah, Glen "doesn't really believe in desensitization", but he sometimes >opts for terms that are highly loaded terms in "normals" speak! I suppose the fault is mine for not *emphasizing* the inspiration for my use of the term. Here

Re: [FRIAM] A longer response to Dave's question

2020-02-23 Thread Frank Wimberly
Here's a dream Dave I was in the University medical area of Pittsburgh where there are about a dozen hospitals and University buildings including dormitories as well as academic buildings I was in a hurry to get somewhere my friend Jeff from Pittsburgh with me I had to my credit card wouldn't work

Re: [FRIAM] Graal VM

2020-02-23 Thread Marcus Daniels
Yes. Whether it is filtered or invented, the same kind of preferences apply. (At least that is my hypothesis.). It is really more like the metaprogramming approach than a reactive reoptimization. I have to do similar things just to stay focused or avoid getting over-focused. Sent from my iP

Re: [FRIAM] A longer response to Dave's question

2020-02-23 Thread thompnickson2
Dave, You have indulged me as much as any other human on earth, and so it distresses me to hear you say that I would dismiss experiences in extremis out of hand. Let it be the case that Archimedes solved the king’s crown problem while lolling in a hot bath. Let it be the case that Kerkule

Re: [FRIAM] Graal VM

2020-02-23 Thread Steven A Smith
Glen - > I suppose the fault is mine for not *emphasizing* the inspiration for my use > of the term. Here it is again if anyone might care. > > https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/wJutA2czyFg6HbYoW/what-are-trigger-action-plans-taps, >> trigger - The simple, specific sight/sound/smell/thought/feeling

Re: [FRIAM] A longer response to Dave's question

2020-02-23 Thread glen
You used the word 'credence'. So maybe what I'm gonna say is irrelevant. But edge cases *do* present high value, low N, experimental opportunites. One set that comes to mind are the twins, where one went to space and the other didn't. The same could be said of rare *people* like the autistic, or

Re: [FRIAM] A longer response to Dave's question

2020-02-23 Thread thompnickson2
Glen, I really want to punt this to Eric, but I have one question for you. What, a priori, constitutes an "edge". How do we know where "edges" are? To take an absurd example, imagine that we had a way of flying an airplane above 1,000 mph and below 600 mph without ever passing through 740 mph. S

Re: [FRIAM] A longer response to Dave's question

2020-02-23 Thread Sarbajit Roy
Re : Kekule's alleged dream about gamboling atoms/snakes/monkeys ... https://www.nytimes.com/1988/08/16/science/the-benzene-ring-dream-analysis.html "*there is strong evidence that chemists other than Kekule deserve credit for benzene. For example, Dr. Wotiz found an 1854 paper published in the Pa

Re: [FRIAM] A longer response to Dave's question

2020-02-23 Thread glen∈ℂ
Re: your example, no. (600,1000) is a continuum, which means the conditions at 740 will be *a lot* like those at 640, 840, etc. [†] "Edge" isn't really jargon. As to how one knows where the edges are, there's only one answer, and that is to go over it. Until you *fall* off the edge, you won't r

Re: [FRIAM] A longer response to Dave's question

2020-02-23 Thread thompnickson2
KillJoy! Why allow a nasty fact to destroy …. Etc. Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From

Re: [FRIAM] A longer response to Dave's question

2020-02-23 Thread thompnickson2
Glen, Well, the plane falls apart if one approaches 740 from either direction (and the plane has not been suitably designed) right? It may be a continuum for some aircraft frames, but for others, it's quite another story. Or am I just wrong about this? If one is touring in Northern New Mex

Re: [FRIAM] A longer response to Dave's question

2020-02-23 Thread glen
I have no idea what you're saying. Sorry I can't be more helpful. On February 23, 2020 8:19:40 PM PST, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > > This example is only to emphasize the point >that edginess is entirely observer dependent. > -- glen =

Re: [FRIAM] A longer response to Dave's question

2020-02-23 Thread Marcus Daniels
Nick writes: < What, a priori, constitutes an "edge". How do we know where "edges" are? > Edge in this context could mean entities that have low betweenness. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betweenness_centrality From: Friam on behalf of thompnicks...@gmail.com