Re: [FRIAM] science privilege — fork from acid epistemology

2020-03-14 Thread Prof David West
Glen, I really appreciate your response and insights. You are certainly correct that much, or most, of my pique is simply impatience. But, I am here now, with these questions, and with a limited window within which to be patient. Should my great grandchildren have my interests, Science might s

Re: [FRIAM] science privilege — fork from acid epistemology

2020-03-14 Thread Prof David West
BTW the ICPR conference on the science of psychedelics was just postponed till September because of Covid. On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, at 3:21 PM, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote: > Excellent! Thanks for making the arc more clear. > > I think the advent of studies of the psychedelics as therapeutic > interventions *d

Re: [FRIAM] science privilege — fork from acid epistemology

2020-03-14 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
FWIW, I agree completely with your gist, if not with your pique. The lost opportunity is implicit in the ebb and flow of collective enterprises. Similar opportunity costs color the efforts of any large scale enterprise. I can't blame science or scientists for their lost opportunities because tr

Re: [FRIAM] science privilege — fork from acid epistemology

2020-03-14 Thread thompnickson2
Dave and Glen, It's great to see your two frames coming into adjustment. At the risk of taking the discussion back to absurdity, let me try to express, in laughably simple terms, what I hear you guys agreeing to. I have been taught a way of thinking about science that is western. Like all

Re: [FRIAM] science privilege — fork from acid epistemology

2020-03-14 Thread thompnickson2
and if we have not gone beyond the bounds of discourse, HOW shall we talk? N Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -Original Message- From: thompnicks...@gmail.com Sent:

Re: [FRIAM] science privilege — fork from acid epistemology

2020-03-14 Thread Marcus Daniels
Dave writes: < A closely related, I think, topic is the push by computer science to have "computational thinking" embedded in elementary and secondary education as "essential." Computational thinking is exactly the wrong kind of thinking as most of the critical things we need to think about are

Re: [FRIAM] to the local congregation

2020-03-14 Thread Steven A Smith
FWIW, Mary and I are traveling the back roads of NM/AZ, having re-routed from a trip to visit my 92 year old mother, meeting my 18mo and 8yr old grandchildren traveling in from OR and CO. OR waved off entirely, while CO chose also to drive backroads, camping instead. We scored a $400 room at

Re: [FRIAM] science privilege — fork from acid epistemology

2020-03-14 Thread Frank Wimberly
If what we have encountered here is the limits of discourse, why are we talking? Nick, Because consummatory behavior is rewarding in its own right --- Frank C. Wimberly 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 10:30 AM wrote: > and if we have not gone beyond the bounds of discours

Re: [FRIAM] science privilege — fork from acid epistemology

2020-03-14 Thread thompnickson2
F Spoken like the good ethologist you are. N Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Fr