I don’t, for example, recognize quantum mechanics as truth. If it turns out
there is a convincing explanation why nature has to be this way, then it has to
be this way and the “divine” has been cornered. If nature can be some other
way, in regimes that are hard for today’s technology to obser
So, when you were considering the risk of political violence and thinking about
"flagging" the post, whatever that means, you were only trying to change the
subject to something you'd prefer to talk about?
On 9/24/20 11:15 AM, Stephen Guerin wrote:
> As a list admin, this might be flaggable. I'
Stephen wrote:
> I also saw it as an opportunity freeze it in the spotlight to be
> studied. There is a hatred and disdain of religion by many in the
> "scientific" community. I find it misplaced and hope this dialectic
> tension between the religious and scientific may soon resolve in a
> modern s
On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 6:17 AM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote:
> So, when you were considering the risk of political violence and thinking
> about "flagging" the post, whatever that means, you were only trying to
> change the subject to something you'd prefer to talk about?
Good question, Glen.
"Flagging"
Excellent! That answers it nicely. I just wasn't sure if that *was* the flag or
if you were saying it didn't need a flag and merely using it to segue.
Yes, there's some slippery ground around "protected classes", which is why the
composition of the SCOTUS is so important.
On 9/25/20 8:15 AM, St
If a sitting president lost an election and did not concede to a peaceful
transition of power, it stands to reason the transition is likely to be
unpeaceful. If someone non-impotent like Bernie Sanders were, in effect, to
incite the sort of people prone to that, I don't think the first thing I
"I've been believing in nothing since I was born, it never was a question."
- Polly Jean Harvey
In my experience, adding God to a conversation has done very little to move
things forward and has often left many dead where they stood. Surprisingly,
while both witnessing police violence against indi
Assuming that there is not a peaceful transition, which organizations do you
believe will back the coup: Pentagon*, GOP, EPA, SCOTUS, USPS? I hope that
speculating about the loyalties of institutions may help the analysis, and
fundamentally I hope that FriAM is a group of thinkers before that of be
On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 5:42 AM Marcus Daniels wrote:
> I don’t, for example, recognize quantum mechanics as truth. If it turns
> out there is a convincing explanation why nature has to be this way, then
> it has to be this way and the “divine” has been cornered. If nature can
> be some other
Hey now! Pigs are pretty damned smart.
On 9/25/20 9:41 AM, Stephen Guerin wrote:
> To Marcus, Glen and Jon, I will try to refrain from casting pearls ;-p
> (meant in humor)
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Hey now! Pigs are pretty damned sma
I mentioned this in the Zoom today. It is a delightful listen, around 3
minutes.
https://www.npr.org/2018/12/22/679448648/that-time-a-president-got-in-trouble-with-the-police
On Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 12:30 PM wrote:
> Are we all taking ACE inhibitors to control our blood pressure and protect
>
I'm not clear on whether dandy is an insult, or not ... But I don't think the
Pentagon will support Trump. Despite some popular rhetoric, our military is
mostly strategic, which is what allows us to be all volunteer. Brute force
things get a lot of press. But it's the subtle work that does the h
A datapoint from the corporate world: I see very overt support for those
protesting the treatment of Breonna Taylor.Workforce and customers are
diverse and sophisticated, and it is no-brainer to take the high road.Some
of these companies have bigger revenues than some countries and are
Hi Steve,
I thought about trying to reply, because I got tangled in some small activity
of this kind a month or two ago, but wasn’t sure there was much value to what I
had to say. People are all different. There are patterns I think I see, but I
expect that umbrellas like “religious” are so b
reiteration of evidence to Eric the deep disdain and hatred many in Science
Yeah. Richard Dawkins and three other loonies. I was in a chatgroup with hard
scientists, etc., from all over the world for about a year, and I was the only
avowed non-religious person on the chat. The european phy
Nick,
Did you ever read "Brideshead Revisited" by Evelyn Waugh? Or see the PBS
production. The patriarch of an English Catholic family who is an avowed
atheist in a moment of oblivion on his deathbed crosses himself as he takes
his last breath. A rigid Freudian would say that he was unintegrate
Thank you for your thoughts. The organizations mentioned in my earlier thread
were mostly thought up off-the-cuff because each evoked something for me at
the moment, humorous or otherwise. I feel disappointed that the pentagon
would use the 1 Billion dollars, earmarked for COVID relief, as they did
This isn't in response to Nick, just a convenient place to hit "Reply" in a
thread in which I've already deleted most of the past messages. My own take
on why to hate religion and/or religious people is based on my upbringing
in and around a population of fairly uneducated, intolerant religious
big
Well, I can only go on the sense I have. It's not that I trust them to avoid
*evil*. But I do trust them to avoid chaos. Trump is chaos. That's why I say if
Trump were competent but still evil, I suspect the Pentagon *would* back him. I
think it's wrong to use words like "compassionate" w.r.t. t
2 cents ———
I cannot think of a single *_institution_*, including the GOP, that would
support Trump if he loses the electoral vote or the House vote it if came to
that. He is a political outsider, not a member of any of the "clubs" and none
of those 'clubs" would ever offer him membership. Thi
2 cents on religion —
Pretty sure I have never hated any group, a couple of individuals have come
close ...
Although every institution of religion. be it a three person cult or a global
church, is, in my opinion a festering pit of purulence, there is no hate there,
just a strong desire to stay
Thank you, again. Somehow this post put my mind at ease, for now.
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Steve, probably I should have responded the first time to the main line in your
post, which Nick automatically highlighted.
> On Sep 25, 2020, at 12:41 PM, Stephen Guerin
> wrote:
>
> First was to use Marcus's post as a reiteration of evidence to Eric the deep
> disdain and hatred many in Sci
Eric writes:
< I know for myself that one of the reasons I went into the recreation of
trying to figure things out is that I didn’t like pushy people, but didn’t want
to become one to keep them at bay. It seemed there was a third way, which was
to be right about things, or to see things coming
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