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2015-01-14 Thread Mohammed El-Beltagy
Thanks Frank and Steve. > I feel like the problem is most acute when one mode of understanding the nature of reality pretends to be able to answer the questions generated by the other mode. I fully agree. I am still based Cairo... recently I started an innovation accelerator with partners in Sw

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2015-01-12 Thread Steve Smith
Mohammed - Also good to hear your "voice" after a very long time... I hope things are going "well enough" for you, I assume you are still in Cairo amidst the constant ebb and flow around you there.  I like the way you phrase this.  I'm sure I have l

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2015-01-12 Thread Frank Wimberly
Well said, Mohammed. Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Phone (505) 670-9918 On Jan 12, 2015 7:52 AM, "Mohammed El-Beltagy" wrote: > There is a common thread running through this discussion it that to my > mind seems quite problematic. It has to do with imposing a restriction on > any given religion to

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2015-01-12 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Mohammed El-Beltagy wrote: > Such holistic grasp and resultant passion may often accelerate our > understanding of the natural world in the left brain or analytic > sense. This case is very clear in ancient Egypt where that religious > passion gave rise to amazing advances in mathematics, geometry

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2015-01-12 Thread Mohammed El-Beltagy
There is a common thread running through this discussion it that to my mind seems quite problematic. It has to do with imposing a restriction on any given religion to be "in concordance" with science to be "valid" and not to be regarded as some fantasy or myth. Here any religion is reified to its p

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2015-01-09 Thread glen
On 01/09/2015 08:51 AM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote: Sure, religion is just the worst because they do it _on purpose_. Meanwhile, atheism is not "delusional" like theism because for something to be delusional there has to be contrary evidence, and there is not. Heh, you say that like "evidence" has

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2015-01-09 Thread Steve Smith
Tory/Marcus/Glen - Good to hear your "voice" T, after a hiatus... (and that of Vladymir as well, also AWOL for some time?) I think this discussion or even conflict is an important one, and tends to get argued on superficial grounds. This discussion, as it unfolds, promises to be a little de

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2015-01-09 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On Fri, 2015-01-09 at 08:39 -0800, glen wrote: > Worse yet, amongst the lay population who _say_ they believe in > evolution, their onion is really more of a hollow spheroid, with a > flimsy outer layer alone. Sure, religion is just the worst because they do it _on purpose_. Meanwhile, atheism is

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2015-01-09 Thread glen
On 01/08/2015 10:47 PM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote: > Victoria writes: > > "So any belief other than one's own is a delusion?" > > Subjective experience must run counter to objective evidence to get this > label. A belief that can be represented by a set of features, understandable > by independ

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2015-01-08 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Victoria writes: "So any belief other than one's own is a delusion?" Subjective experience must run counter to objective evidence to get this label. A belief that can be represented by a set of features, understandable by independent observers in a repeatable way is not a delusion. If someon

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2015-01-08 Thread Victoria Hughes
Dang I HATE it when I hit send accidentally--- As I was typing: I believe that believing too fervently in our technological gods keeps us from recognizing our immaturity of experience as a species: we have not shown much aptitude for using either theological or technological gods as humane, sust