Re: [FRIAM] Economic Disequilibrium or How Complexity Science nearly killed America ( Glens Question ) Whodunnit

2008-10-01 Thread peter
Sure I will dig out some names but to simplify step 1 - Anyone who has QUANT or Financial Engineer or Financial Data Engineer ( They used to quantify now they just design and operate the Complexity models ) on their business card and works at Lehman Brothers / AIG or Fannie Duo / WAMU etc Mor

Re: [FRIAM] Economic Disequilibrium or How Complexity Science nearly killed America

2008-10-01 Thread Owen Densmore
On Oct 1, 2008, at 1:02 AM, Robert Holmes wrote: > Can't be complexity scientists - the math is too hard. Show your > average > ABMer a partial differential equation and he'd run a mile. > Robert I have to agree. The pendulum really needs to swing back again. The lack of formalism within the

Re: [FRIAM] Economic Disequilibrium or How Complexity Science nearly killed America

2008-10-01 Thread Robert Holmes
Can't be complexity scientists - the math is too hard. Show your average ABMer a partial differential equation and he'd run a mile. Robert On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 9:49 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > PS did anyone answer Pete's question as to the identity of the creators of > the financial marke

Re: [FRIAM] Economic Disequilibrium or How Complexity Science nearly killed America

2008-09-30 Thread Phil Henshaw
ent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 2:06 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group; 1st-Mile-NM Subject: [FRIAM] Economic Disequilibrium or How Complexity Science nearly killed America http://www.make-digital.com/make/vol15/?pg=173 Here is a beautiful article by George Dyson that

Re: [FRIAM] Economic Disequilibrium or How Complexity Science nearly killed America

2008-09-30 Thread PPARYSKI
PS did anyone answer Pete's question as to the identity of the creators of the financial market complexity models? Paul ** Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (

Re: [FRIAM] Economic Disequilibrium or How Complexity Science nearly killed America

2008-09-30 Thread PPARYSKI
In a message dated 9/30/08 1:42:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > The empire is perhaps crumbling. > Nah.  Dow is already back 400 points so far.   If it would just have > slid a little more then there would have been some really good buys! > > Ah were it so simple

Re: [FRIAM] Economic Disequilibrium or How Complexity Science nearly killed America

2008-09-30 Thread Douglas Roberts
Judging by what yesterday did to my 401(k), there were some outstanding buys at 7:30am (MDT) this morning. -- Doug Roberts, RTI International [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Marcus G. Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

Re: [FRIAM] Economic Disequilibrium or How Complexity Science nearly killed America

2008-09-30 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The empire is perhpas crumbling. Nah. Dow is already back 400 points so far. If it would just have slid a little more then there would have been some really good buys! FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listser

Re: [FRIAM] Economic Disequilibrium or How Complexity Science nearly killed America

2008-09-30 Thread PPARYSKI
I totally agree with Pete and might add from personal experience that the same persons who create and use such models, also create and use rumours and other very questionable methods to manipulate the market, aside. of course, from the highly risky hedge funding (we had long discussions at the

Re: [FRIAM] Economic Disequilibrium or How Complexity Science nearly killed America

2008-09-30 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Hey Pete, That's definitely an interesting extrapolation from that Make article. I love stuff like that. Thanks. But can you help me reduce my ignorance? Which "complexity science geniuses" created these credit models? And which ones do you think might go to jail? -glen Thus spake peter cir

[FRIAM] Economic Disequilibrium or How Complexity Science nearly killed America

2008-09-30 Thread peter
http://www.make-digital.com/make/vol15/?pg=173 Here is a beautiful article by George Dyson that is truly one of the clearest examples of the current problems with complexity theory especially its relationship to economics , what it is trying to do and what it actually did with the mess created