Re: [FRIAM] Obama on nuclear energy

2009-04-16 Thread James Steiner
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 1:41 PM, wrote: > Rivernetwork is completing a paper on the carbon footprint of water use > based on an analysis of the water-energy nexus.  Actually when one flushes a > toilet one uses enegry, so just hold it back Nick. > P "If it's yellow, let it mellow. If it's brown

Re: [FRIAM] Obama on nuclear energy

2009-04-16 Thread pparyski
2009 11:26 am Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Obama on nuclear energy Has anybody correlated gdp with tons of waste going to land fills?? ? Is what we all think of as economic growth anything more than our spending more time on the crapper?? ? NIck ? Nicholas S. Thompson

Re: [FRIAM] Obama on nuclear energy

2009-04-16 Thread Nicholas Thompson
://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ - Original Message - From: To: friam@redfish.com Sent: 4/16/2009 10:18:41 AM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Obama on nuclear energy It is interesting to note that Europeans (depending of course on the country) use at least 50% less energy per

Re: [FRIAM] Obama on nuclear energy

2009-04-16 Thread pparyski
Applied Complexity Coffee Group Sent: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 8:29 pm Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Obama on nuclear energy I think that the only way Americans, and by proxy the rest of the world, will learn which claim about whatever approach to satisfying our growing global power demands will succeed is to

Re: [FRIAM] Obama on nuclear energy

2009-04-15 Thread Robert Howard
t: Re: [FRIAM] Obama on nuclear energy I believe we'll need nuclear fusion power systems for quite a while. And I think there's been considerable advance in our ability to make them safe and much, much more efficient in their power output per unit of radioactive fuel used. Recent dual

Re: [FRIAM] Obama on nuclear energy

2009-04-15 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
When it comes to climate control, climate change, global warming, glacier melting etc., why do we never hear from the elephant in the room - population and birth control? If the worst things, as we've been told, for carbon footprint are homes, vehicles and food production (cows in particular a

Re: [FRIAM] Obama on nuclear energy

2009-04-15 Thread Douglas Roberts
ry..."? > > Frank > > -----Original Message- > From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On > Behalf > Of Merle Lefkoff > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 5:00 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM]

Re: [FRIAM] Obama on nuclear energy

2009-04-15 Thread Frank Wimberly
ailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Merle Lefkoff Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 5:00 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Obama on nuclear energy Peggy is right. I attach a short excerpt from Democracy Now. (Amory is the guru.) AMY GOODMAN: It

Re: [FRIAM] Obama on nuclear energy

2009-04-15 Thread Saul Caganoff
tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick... On 16/04/2009, Merle Lefkoff wrote: > Peggy is right. I attach a short excerpt from Democracy Now. (Amory is > the guru.) > > AMY GOODMAN: It’s good to have you with us. Well, talk about nuclear > power. Why do you feel it’s not an option, given the oil cris

Re: [FRIAM] Obama on nuclear energy

2009-04-15 Thread Merle Lefkoff
Peggy is right. I attach a short excerpt from Democracy Now. (Amory is the guru.) AMY GOODMAN: It’s good to have you with us. Well, talk about nuclear power. Why do you feel it’s not an option, given the oil crisis? AMORY LOVINS: Well, first of all, electricity and oil have essentially nothi

Re: [FRIAM] Obama on nuclear energy

2009-04-15 Thread Pamela McCorduck
Excellent rant! On Apr 15, 2009, at 1:14 PM, Steve Smith wrote: I am sympathetic with the desire to eliminate "messy" forms of energy production, storage, transmission and use. England (esp. London) during the early Industrial Revolution understood that Coal was dirty and should not be us

Re: [FRIAM] Obama on nuclear energy

2009-04-15 Thread Owen Densmore
I believe we'll need nuclear fusion power systems for quite a while. And I think there's been considerable advance in our ability to make them safe and much, much more efficient in their power output per unit of radioactive fuel used. Recent dual source reactors combine traditional nuclear

Re: [FRIAM] Obama on nuclear energy

2009-04-15 Thread Steve Smith
I am sympathetic with the desire to eliminate "messy" forms of energy production, storage, transmission and use. England (esp. London) during the early Industrial Revolution understood that Coal was dirty and should not be used in cities... but they already had an appetite for it's utility and

Re: [FRIAM] Obama on nuclear energy

2009-04-15 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Douglas Roberts wrote: http://www.google.com/search?q=NIF+lanl+the+rest+of+the+story&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a Sk

Re: [FRIAM] Obama on nuclear energy

2009-04-15 Thread Nick Frost
peggy miller wrote: Below is link showing Obama's support for nuclear energy. I was sorry to see it stated so clearly, because I remain believing that we can proceed without nuclear energy (unless it is developing cold fusion, which he does not state in his speech), using wind, solar, geotherma

Re: [FRIAM] Obama on nuclear energy

2009-04-15 Thread Douglas Roberts
http://www.google.com/search?q=NIF+lanl+the+rest+of+the+story&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote: > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/15/opinion/15friedman.html?_r=1 > > > ==

Re: [FRIAM] Obama on nuclear energy

2009-04-15 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
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Re: [FRIAM] Obama on nuclear energy

2009-04-15 Thread Douglas Roberts
I'm curious why you think our future energy needs can be met without nuclear energy. Do you have any references to forecast energy budgets for the US which define energy usage in coming decades, and the corresponding energy sources and delivery infrastructures for meeting those demands? It's one

[FRIAM] Obama on nuclear energy

2009-04-15 Thread peggy miller
Below is link showing Obama's support for nuclear energy. I was sorry to see it stated so clearly, because I remain believing that we can proceed without nuclear energy (unless it is developing cold fusion, which he does not state in his speech), using wind, solar, geothermal, hydrogen. I continue