Re: [FRIAM] Opportunity to join a discussion about Charles Sanders Peirce

2017-11-07 Thread Robert Wall
By the way, there is a lively debate going on about the Sabine Hossenfelder article How Popper killed Particle Physics posted just yesterday. It could make a good thread, as a few of you on the list seem to agr

Re: [FRIAM] Opportunity to join a discussion about Charles Sanders Peirce

2017-11-06 Thread gⅼеɳ ☣
Excellent! Yes, complement is a much more appropriate relation between the ideas than compete, I think. Thanks. On 11/06/2017 11:08 AM, Robert Wall wrote: > > Actually, I think I said that Smolin's idea "competes" with Mareletto's.  > That was sloppy; I meant that Smolin's theory can exist in

Re: [FRIAM] Opportunity to join a discussion about Charles Sanders Peirce

2017-11-06 Thread Robert Wall
Glen, I think Carl is referring to my earlier remark about String Theory. He is not alone in attacking Popper because Popper's idea concerning falsifiability and a "true" scientific theory stand in the way of just accepting a proposed theory base just on their mathematical elegance. I, myself, hope

Re: [FRIAM] Opportunity to join a discussion about Charles Sanders Peirce

2017-11-06 Thread Merle Lefkoff
om] On Behalf Of g??? ? > Sent: Monday, November 06, 2017 10:15 AM > To: FriAM > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Opportunity to join a discussion about Charles > Sanders Peirce > > Heh, I'm too dense to understand how Sabine's rant is relevant. Are you > suggesting that

Re: [FRIAM] Opportunity to join a discussion about Charles Sanders Peirce

2017-11-06 Thread Carl Tollander
t/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > -Original Message- > From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of g??? ? > Sent: Monday, November 06, 2017 10:15 AM > To: FriAM > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Opportunity to join a discussion about Charles > Sanders

Re: [FRIAM] Opportunity to join a discussion about Charles Sanders Peirce

2017-11-06 Thread Nick Thompson
M Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Opportunity to join a discussion about Charles Sanders Peirce Heh, I'm too dense to understand how Sabine's rant is relevant. Are you suggesting that England, Smolin, and Marletto are tossing fiddled falsifiable noodles at the wall? Or are you suggesting my h

Re: [FRIAM] Opportunity to join a discussion about Charles Sanders Peirce

2017-11-06 Thread gⅼеɳ ☣
Heh, I'm too dense to understand how Sabine's rant is relevant. Are you suggesting that England, Smolin, and Marletto are tossing fiddled falsifiable noodles at the wall? Or are you suggesting my hunt for similarities in the 3 models is something like her Dawid fallacy (the light's better by t

Re: [FRIAM] Opportunity to join a discussion about Charles Sanders Peirce

2017-11-06 Thread Carl Tollander
Hey, don't hold back, Sabine. http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2017/11/how-popper-killed-particle-physics.html?m=1 On Nov 5, 2017 11:09, "┣glen┫" wrote: > OK. So, I hear you saying (please correct me!) that you do see a > similarity in all 3 (England, Smolin, and Marletto) up to their attemp

Re: [FRIAM] Opportunity to join a discussion about Charles Sanders Peirce

2017-11-05 Thread ┣glen┫
OK. So, I hear you saying (please correct me!) that you do see a similarity in all 3 (England, Smolin, and Marletto) up to their attempts to find a non-teleological explanation for the structures to which we tend to ascribe teleology (teleonomic). You're right that I agree up to that point.

Re: [FRIAM] Opportunity to join a discussion about Charles Sanders Peirce

2017-11-03 Thread Robert Wall
Hi Glen, et al., I'd *love* it if you (or anyone) would argue with me and help me refine my > thinking or, better yet, change my mind and be able to explain how Smolin, > England, and Deutsch/Marletto are fundamentally different! I'll give it an equally feeble try. 😋 Actually, I see these three

Re: [FRIAM] Opportunity to join a discussion about Charles Sanders Peirce

2017-11-01 Thread gⅼеɳ ☣
Thanks for posting your intro materials to purpose of the universe. I haven't looked at them, yet, but will (probably next week). But since I'm making a feeble attempt to review the "living systems as entropy maximizers" theme for another meeting, the below paragraph of yours tweaked me. It s

Re: [FRIAM] Opportunity to join a discussion about Charles Sanders Peirce

2017-10-29 Thread Robert Wall
.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > > *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert > Wall > *Sent:* Friday, October 27, 2017 5:51 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Opp

Re: [FRIAM] Opportunity to join a discussion about Charles Sanders Peirce

2017-10-27 Thread Nick Thompson
s/> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com> ] On Behalf Of Robert Wall Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 7:00 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group mailto:friam@redfish.com

Re: [FRIAM] Opportunity to join a discussion about Charles Sanders Peirce

2017-10-27 Thread Robert Wall
me honest. Perhaps the group has one. > > > > Thanks again for getting in touch. > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > Nicholas S. Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > > Clark University > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickth

Re: [FRIAM] Opportunity to join a discussion about Charles Sanders Peirce

2017-10-26 Thread Nick Thompson
ompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com> ] On Behalf Of Robert Wall Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 8:46 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group mailto:friam@redfish.com> > Subject: [FRIAM] Opportun

Re: [FRIAM] Opportunity to join a discussion about Charles Sanders Peirce

2017-10-26 Thread Robert Wall
; >> >> Nicholas S. Thompson >> >> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology >> >> Clark University >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *

Re: [FRIAM] Opportunity to join a discussion about Charles Sanders Peirce

2017-10-26 Thread Robert Wall
half Of *Robert > Wall > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 25, 2017 8:46 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* [FRIAM] Opportunity to join a discussion about Charles Sanders > Peirce > > > > FYI. > > >

Re: [FRIAM] Opportunity to join a discussion about Charles Sanders Peirce

2017-10-25 Thread Nick Thompson
tunity to join a discussion about Charles Sanders Peirce FYI. The Santa Fe Philosophical Society is offering a discussion session on <https://www.meetup.com/SantaFe-Philosophers/events/244523385/?fromEmail=244523385&rv=ea1> Charles Sanders Peirce on Sunday, November 12, 2017, 2:

Re: [FRIAM] Opportunity to join a discussion about Charles Sanders Peirce

2017-10-25 Thread Nick Thompson
Group Subject: [FRIAM] Opportunity to join a discussion about Charles Sanders Peirce FYI. The Santa Fe Philosophical Society is offering a discussion session on <https://www.meetup.com/SantaFe-Philosophers/events/244523385/?fromEmail=244523385&rv=ea1> Charles Sanders Peirce on

[FRIAM] Opportunity to join a discussion about Charles Sanders Peirce

2017-10-25 Thread Robert Wall
FYI. The* Santa Fe Philosophical Society* is offering a discussion session on Charles Sanders Peirce on Sunday, November 12, 2017, 2:00 PM to 4:00 PM. Nick, if you are in town, the group would definitely be