[FRIAM] Science and art: where does mathematics stand?

Here are some observations on the recent FRIAM exchange on the nature of mathematics: 1. It is possible to view mathematics as a set of uninterpreted theories, together with a set of interpretations of those theories ([1], [2]). (Whether this view of mathematics is desirable, is ano

[FRIAM] science and art ways forward together

-- Ann Racuya-Robbins Founder and CEO World Knowledge Bank  www.wkbank.com[1] Steve, I appreciated your comments. Yet I continue to think we need scientists and engineers as much now as ever. Lets "build" a way forward.  Lets create non leathal weapons like foam that immobilizes ba

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It will be a pleasure, now that we have properly met. You may address me as "Doug", or "Douglas", or, "Roberts", or, "Hey You!"; it makes me no never-mind -- I usually get the gist of communications thrown my way, or spoken in my presence. -- Doug Roberts, RTI International drobe...@rti.org d...

[FRIAM] science and art ways forward together

-- Ann Racuya-Robbins Founder and CEO World Knowledge Bank  www.wkbank.com[1] I agree with you Douglas. That is why I said earlier that however we got here with nuclear weapons the problem is all of ours now. That is a reflection of how powerful each American citizen has become. Each of

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Group' Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] science and art ways forward together Didn't both scientists and engineers play key roles in the development of nuclear weapons? Oppenheimer was one of the leading managers of the Manhattan Projec

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e potential use of uranium for national defense) to President Roosevelt is of interest as well... Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 18:28:00 -0700 From: ad...@wkbank.com To: friam@redfish.com Subject: [FRIAM] Science and art ways forward together -- Ann Racuya-Robbins Founder and CEO World Knowledge Bank w

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Douglas Roberts wrote: Why do you think there is such a disproportionate number of churches in Los Alamos, compared to average small town America? Ann Racuya-Robbins wrote: Can science and engineering be value free or outside the domain of values? I would certainly hope so, but the evidence D

[FRIAM] Science and art ways forward together

-- Ann Racuya-Robbins Founder and CEO World Knowledge Bank  www.wkbank.com[1] "The theory of general relativity is a theory about the structure of nature. It is not noble. It is not evil. It is a theory." Russ Abbott We cannot separate everything into clear categories and thus avoid

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Well, Miz. Racuya-Robbins: Who is it that has agreed year after year to pay the taxes, those *very same * taxes which over the past 64 years have subsidized these *evil initiatives* for which there is no antidote , if I may be so bold to ask? Oh, wait! I know! It's us, the not-so-innocent masse

[FRIAM] science and art ways forward together

-- Ann Racuya-Robbins Founder and CEO World Knowledge Bank  www.wkbank.com[1] The situation remains that scientists and/or engineers created nuclear weapons for which we have no anitdote. I think this reality of our current world does undermine if not negate the standing of science and

[FRIAM] Science and art ways forward together

-- Ann Racuya-Robbins Founder and CEO World Knowledge Bank  www.wkbank.com[1] To follow up on a post I just made but hasn't come through yet... I recommend highly watching the film series "The Decalogue" by Polish director Krzysztof Kieslowski (available through netflix) Among the ex

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nd engineers play key roles in the development >> of nuclear weapons? Oppenheimer was one of the leading managers of the >> Manhattan Project, for instance. >> >> >> >> Frank >> >> >> >> *From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@r

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Frank Wimberly wrote: Didn’t both scientists and engineers play key roles in the development of nuclear weapons?  Oppenheimer was one of the leading managers of the Manhattan Project, for instance. And more to the point, I think, it was Military and Political *Will* that lea

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redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On > Behalf Of *Russ Abbott > *Sent:* Thursday, January 01, 2009 4:22 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] science and art ways forward together > > > > I know I shouldn't say

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nuary 01, 2009 4:22 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] science and art ways forward together > > > > I know I shouldn't say this, but I can't resist. You guys are being much > too polite. Are there any issues ab

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rsday, January 01, 2009 4:22 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] science and art ways forward together I know I shouldn't say this, but I can't resist. You guys are being much too polite. Are there any issues about which you differ. You can&#

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I know I shouldn't say this, but I can't resist. You guys are being much too polite. Are there any issues about which you differ. You can't possibly agree about everything! I'll even start by disagreeing with this statement of Ann's. science has helped to create and reflect the most fearful exp

[FRIAM] science and art ways forward together

   -- Ann Racuya-Robbins Founder and CEO World Knowledge Bank  www.wkbank.com[1] Dear Jack, It is a pleasure to read your thoughtful response and an  honor that you would take the time to elaborate and question/caution  on a number of points. In that spirit I would like to respond and  engage

[FRIAM] science and art

-- Ann Racuya-Robbins Founder and CEO World Knowledge Bank  www.wkbank.com[1] Thank you so much for your comments. I would like to converse with serveral of them but to avoid confusion will do so one by one. I hope I have wresteled my server mail client into cooperating better with id

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Jack Leibowitz wrote: Steve, I understand your point. I do think we need to make a distinction between technological efforts and fundamental research into basic mysteries of the physical world. The desire to shed light on the latter is , in itself, a humanizing experience, in the same spirit

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about pursuit of the arts and other humanities. In fact, it is from the same cloth. Jack - Original Message - From: "Steve Smith" To: "The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group" Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 1:51 PM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [FR

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Jack - Original Message - From: "Steve Smith" To: "The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group" Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 6:02 PM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [FRIAM] Science and Art Ann - Thanks for chiming in, albeit del

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Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group" Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 6:02 PM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [FRIAM] Science and Art Ann - Thanks for chiming in, albeit delayed. *"The Future of Science...Is Art? <http://www.seedmagazine.com/news/2008/01/

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jrl...@earthlink.net . - Original Message - From: ad...@wkbank.com To: friam@redfish.com Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 2:52 PM Subject: [FRIAM] Science and Art I am sorry for this delayed response to a recent thread. I often want to participate but run out of time. Today howev

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Ann - Thanks for chiming in, albeit delayed. *"The Future of Science...Is Art? * To answer our most fundamental questions, science needs to find a place for the arts." Thank you for opening this

[FRIAM] Science and Art

I am sorry for this delayed response to a recent thread. I often want to participate but run out of time. Today however... Happy Holidays "THE FUTURE OF SCIENCE...IS ART? To answer our most fundamental questions, science needs to find a place for the arts." Thank you for opening this t

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@anth.umd.edu> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <mailto:friam@redfish.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:31 AM *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Science and Art Just finishing Leonard Shlain's Art and Physics: Parallel Visions in Space, Time and L

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me, I recommend a solidly scholarly book: LynnGamwell's Exploring the Invisible:Art: Science, and the Spiritual (Princeton U Press, 2002) Jack (author of Hidden Harmony , the Johns Hopkins U. Press, 2008) Original Message - From: Michael Agar To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Co

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ginal Message - From: Michael Agar To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:31 AM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Science and Art Just finishing Leonard Shlain's Art and Physics: Parallel Visions in Space, Time and Light. Older book, 199

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Michael, Thanks, I have read parts of the Shlain book. Here is a link to three of my paintings, hopefully connecting art and science. They are all about 54"x48" and are acrylic on jute. When finished the series will be comprised of 8-10 paintings, maybe more. http://www.orlandoleibovitz.com/

Re: [FRIAM] Science and Art - swarm example?

24hr global air traffic image. http://www.clipjunkie.com/Global-Air-Traffic-vid4043.html Phil Henshaw FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, m

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Just finishing Leonard Shlain's Art and Physics: Parallel Visions in Space, Time and Light. Older book, 1991, quite good. http://www.artandphysics.com/index.html . Mike On Dec 16, 2008, at 9:59 PM, Orlando Leibovitz wrote: Jochen, Here is another take on Science and Art. http://www.a

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Jochen, Here is another take on Science and Art. http://www.artic.edu/aic/education/sciarttech/2a1.html O Jochen Fromm wrote: Maybe interesting for the sfX ? http://www.seedmagazine.com/news/2008/01/the_future_of_scienceis_art.php -J. =

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ubject: Re: [FRIAM] Science and Art Jochen, Thanks for the interesting link. The article, in my opinion, describes the various Science and Art connections the Complex is trying to make. O Jochen Fromm wrote: Maybe interesting for the sfX ? http://www.seedmagazine.com/ne

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Jochen, Thanks for the interesting link. The article, in my opinion, describes the various Science and Art connections the Complex is trying to make. O Jochen Fromm wrote: Maybe interesting for the sfX ? http://www.seedmagazine.com/news/2008/01/the_future_of_scienceis_art.php -J.

[FRIAM] Science and Art

Maybe interesting for the sfX ? http://www.seedmagazine.com/news/2008/01/the_future_of_scienceis_art.php -J. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe,