Re: [FRIAM] Sources of Innovation

2010-02-15 Thread glen e. p. ropella
But, Owen, we're already doing all this! Literally, everything you mention is already in process. The trick is that our perspectives don't allow us to see the whole process. We're in the middle of all these changes and each of us, including our organizations, for-profit or not, are all just

Re: [FRIAM] Sources of Innovation

2010-02-15 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Thus spake Douglas Roberts circa 02/14/2010 02:19 PM: So here's mine: we'll either evolve a set of ethics and a level of intelligence, and a maturity to finally do the right thing with a certain degree of consistency, or we won't. I'm not holding my breath though; I would't take even money

Re: [FRIAM] Sources of Innovation

2010-02-14 Thread Owen Densmore
I had missed the connection with KC Claffy. I followed her work to map the internet while I was at Sun and heard a brilliant presentation she gave, I think at the Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop a while back. Very good stuff! Love to hear more about the project(s) especially how you

Re: [FRIAM] Sources of Innovation

2010-02-14 Thread Pamela McCorduck
health care so long. -J. - Original Message - From: Roger Critchlow To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Sources of Innovation [...] We're too busy defending ourselves from hedge fund vampires and health care

Re: [FRIAM] Sources of Innovation

2010-02-14 Thread Nicholas Thompson
://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.org [City University of Santa Fe] - Original Message - From: Douglas Roberts To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Sent: 2/14/2010 9:05:07 AM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Sources of Innovation Pamela, I think

Re: [FRIAM] Sources of Innovation

2010-02-14 Thread Russ Abbott
6:54 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Sources of Innovation [...] We're too busy defending ourselves from hedge fund vampires and health care ghouls to worry about growth. Say what you will about the undead, they steal their profits fair and square and invest them in the rule of law

Re: [FRIAM] Sources of Innovation

2010-02-14 Thread Douglas Roberts
:* Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net *To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Groupfriam@redfish.com *Sent:* 2/14/2010 9:05:07 AM *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Sources of Innovation Pamela, I think the healthcare issue goes way beyond just the usual corporate profit protection, pay for play

Re: [FRIAM] Sources of Innovation

2010-02-14 Thread Russ Abbott
of Santa Fe] - Original Message - *From:* Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net *To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Groupfriam@redfish.com *Sent:* 2/14/2010 9:05:07 AM *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Sources of Innovation Pamela, I think the healthcare issue goes way beyond

Re: [FRIAM] Sources of Innovation

2010-02-14 Thread Douglas Roberts
@redfish.com *Sent:* 2/14/2010 9:05:07 AM *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Sources of Innovation Pamela, I think the healthcare issue goes way beyond just the usual corporate profit protection, pay for play political game. Look at how polarized the nation has become over just this issue alone. Look at how

Re: [FRIAM] Sources of Innovation

2010-02-14 Thread Owen Densmore
: Re: [FRIAM] Sources of Innovation Pamela, I think the healthcare issue goes way beyond just the usual corporate profit protection, pay for play political game. Look at how polarized the nation has become over just this issue alone. Look at how many people don't believe

Re: [FRIAM] Sources of Innovation

2010-02-14 Thread Douglas Roberts
- *From:* Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net *To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Groupfriam@redfish.com *Sent:* 2/14/2010 9:05:07 AM *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Sources of Innovation Pamela, I think the healthcare issue goes way beyond just the usual corporate profit protection

Re: [FRIAM] Sources of Innovation

2010-02-14 Thread Douglas Roberts
I thought you'd never ask! Short answer: you can't get there from here. Longer answer: we don't deserve any better than we've got, because it doesn't take a high IQ to have a functioning moral compass. And I'm not talking about that traditional substitute for a moral compass; that crutch

[FRIAM] Sources of Innovation

2010-02-13 Thread Jochen Fromm
In a recent washingtonpost.com article named Erasing our innovation deficit ( http://bit.ly/cG6vGW ) Eric Schmidt said We have been world leaders in [technological] innovation for generations. It has driven our economy, employment growth and our rising prosperity. [..] We can no longer rely on

Re: [FRIAM] Sources of Innovation

2010-02-13 Thread Owen Densmore
There's an economic gorilla in the room no one takes seriously: War. We're now paying for two wars that are each a greater strain on our economy than the recession and the stimulus bills. Innovation has costs that war denies. We actually need to get back to capitalism, too. What! Yup.

Re: [FRIAM] Sources of Innovation

2010-02-13 Thread Nicholas Thompson
] [Original Message] From: Jochen Fromm jfr...@t-online.de To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Friam@redfish.com Date: 2/13/2010 8:22:32 AM Subject: [FRIAM] Sources of Innovation In a recent washingtonpost.com article named Erasing our innovation deficit ( http://bit.ly/cG6vGW

Re: [FRIAM] Sources of Innovation

2010-02-13 Thread Pamela McCorduck
On Feb 13, 2010, at 12:12 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: What an interesting question! Getting to an answer requires setting aside ALL ideology and doing a comparative study, across history and national boundaries, on the phenomenon of technological leadership. Who knows, for instance, how the

Re: [FRIAM] Sources of Innovation

2010-02-13 Thread Nicholas Thompson
/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.org [City University of Santa Fe] [Original Message] From: Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group friam@redfish.com Date: 2/13/2010 10:12:16 AM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Sources of Innovation There's

Re: [FRIAM] Sources of Innovation

2010-02-13 Thread Nicholas Thompson
University of Santa Fe] [Original Message] From: Pamela McCorduck pam...@well.com To: nickthomp...@earthlink.net; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group friam@redfish.com Date: 2/13/2010 10:31:55 AM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Sources of Innovation On Feb 13, 2010, at 12:12 PM

Re: [FRIAM] Sources of Innovation

2010-02-13 Thread Roger Critchlow
I think Schmidt is dreaming, that the USA had an innovation policy that worked, that it could have an innovation policy that would work in the future. We had a population that was willing and eager to try new things, once, and from the consumers to the entrepreneurs they did try new things, and

Re: [FRIAM] Sources of Innovation

2010-02-13 Thread Douglas Roberts
Sheesh, what a bunch of academic phraseology! - functional modularization - combinatorial evolution - both top-down as well as bottom-up initiative [...] indispensable IM(Not So)HO, America at large has been sufficiently dumbed down by the brutal combination of a mediocre educational

Re: [FRIAM] Sources of Innovation

2010-02-13 Thread Jochen Fromm
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Sources of Innovation [...] We're too busy defending ourselves from hedge fund vampires and health care ghouls to worry about growth. Say what you will about the undead, they steal their profits fair and square and invest them

Re: [FRIAM] Sources of Innovation

2010-02-13 Thread Douglas Roberts
'Twasn't an intrusion, but let me say that if you can model the propagation of aggregate stupidity in country-sized social networks, I'll happily purchase the rights to your simulation! --Doug On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Tom Vest tv...@caida.org wrote: On Feb 13, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Douglas