Re: [FRIAM] entropic force (was Gravity as an emergent phenomenon)

2010-07-21 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Russ Abbott wrote circa 07/20/2010 09:55 PM: > If all the particles were arrayed in a regular lattice, the description > could be smaller than the universe itself. I thought that was the point > of entropy. Perhaps you're right. But that is also counter-intuitive to me. If entropy really is a m

Re: [FRIAM] entropic force (was Gravity as an emergent phenomenon)

2010-07-20 Thread Russ Abbott
Please see below. -- Russ > But my underlying point still stands: that when > characterizing a physical system (with concepts like entropy and > thermodynamics as a whole), one has to choose the layers or aspects they > want to pay attention to. If the characterization is intended to > capture

Re: [FRIAM] entropic force (was Gravity as an emergent phenomenon)

2010-07-20 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Russ Abbott wrote circa 07/19/2010 05:06 PM: > On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:13 PM, glen e. p. ropella > mailto:g...@agent-based-modeling.com>> > wrote: > > I guess that's a joke. But to be overly literal minded, one random > distribution of elements is not the same as another random distribution > an

Re: [FRIAM] entropic force (was Gravity as an emergent phenomenon)

2010-07-19 Thread Russ Abbott
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:13 PM, glen e. p. ropella < g...@agent-based-modeling.com> wrote: A further interesting thing (perhaps only to my self-gratifying thoughts) is that the maximal entropy heat death actually _can_ be described with very little information. All it takes is a uniform RNG distr

Re: [FRIAM] entropic force (was Gravity as an emergent phenomenon)

2010-07-19 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Russ Abbott wrote circa 10-07-19 03:54 PM: Under the information-based view of entropy a heat death universe would have high entropy because it would take a large amount of information--a great many bits--to capture it. One would have to say where each bit of material is. Since each bit is mor

Re: [FRIAM] entropic force (was Gravity as an emergent phenomenon)

2010-07-19 Thread Russ Abbott
Under the information-based view of entropy a heat death universe would have high entropy because it would take a large amount of information--a great many bits--to capture it. One would have to say where each bit of material is. Since each bit is more or less randomly located, there is no way to

Re: [FRIAM] entropic force (was Gravity as an emergent phenomenon)

2010-07-19 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Vladimyr Ivan Burachynsky wrote circa 10-07-16 06:53 PM: Another confused old guy, But there was something called Planck's Distance that said that two atoms could not get any closer under normal circumstances without enormous forces yet Bose condensates are literally superimposed indistinguishabl

Re: [FRIAM] entropic force (was Gravity as an emergent phenomenon)

2010-07-16 Thread Vladimyr Ivan Burachynsky
y 16, 2010 4:00 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] entropic force (was Gravity as an emergent phenomenon) Glen, You and Grant are starting to make my poor=old rejected english major's brain spin: I think I have finally seen the point of this whole discussion about gravity. Let

Re: [FRIAM] entropic force (was Gravity as an emergent phenomenon)

2010-07-16 Thread Nicholas Thompson
.edu) http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.org [City University of Santa Fe] > [Original Message] > From: glen e. p. ropella > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Date: 7/16/2010 12:34:15 PM > Subject: [FRIAM] entropic force (was Gravity

[FRIAM] entropic force (was Gravity as an emergent phenomenon)

2010-07-16 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Roger Critchlow wrote circa 10-07-13 09:07 PM: The proposition of entropy causing action at a distance reminded me of a notorious demonstration. A beaker of water and a beaker of sugar dissolved in water are sealed together inside a bell jar. Over time the level of liquid in the beaker of water