Thus spake Phil Henshaw circa 10/09/2008 04:48 AM:
Right, but totally inconsistent with your first statement just hire an
expert.
You must be confusing me with someone else. I've been arguing _against_
just hire an expert the whole time.
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Thus spake Phil Henshaw circa 10/07/2008 12:15 PM:
Well, the reliance on competence is relative
e. p. ropella
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] government hierarchy (was Re: Willful Ignorance)
Thus spake Phil Henshaw circa 10/09/2008 04:48 AM:
Right, but totally inconsistent with your first statement
Thus spake Phil Henshaw circa 10/07/2008 12:15 PM:
Well, the reliance on competence is relative to the difficulty of the task.
As our world explodes with new connections and complexity that's sort of in
doubt, isn't it? Isn't Taleb's observation that when you have increasingly
complex
Thus spake Marcus G. Daniels circa 10/06/2008 11:46 AM:
Special interests with money would then just have to exert less energy
manipulating any given local government. Without an encompassing
government, there's no ready mechanism for enforcing regulation or a way
to force large companies to
glen e. p. ropella wrote:
My suggestion is that the problem is
with the way government accumulates (or aggregates).
Ok, like the nature of the legislative process or what is constitutional.
E.g. perhaps if state government was a direct, natural, cumulative
consequence (and _only_ a direct
Thus spake Marcus G. Daniels circa 10/06/2008 01:49 PM:
I expect capable, intelligent managers are a subset of the population.
If a local government represents too small of a region, there won't be
competent people available to run things.
Good point. However, a complement is that if you have
glen e. p. ropella wrote:
If _you_ can't
manage your own mind/body, then nobody else has any hopes of doing it
either.
But removing a brain tumor is beyond what I could do for myself. I'm
also not the best person to build a space shuttle or for that matter
solve a city septic system
Thus spake Marcus G. Daniels circa 10/06/2008 02:36 PM:
But removing a brain tumor is beyond what I could do for myself. I'm
also not the best person to build a space shuttle or for that matter
solve a city septic system problem.
Cute. [grin] But you're not talking about management, there.
glen e. p. ropella wrote:
But you're not talking about management, there. You're
talking about execution. You _are_ the best person to determine whether
or not you _need_ a tumor removed from your brain (regardless of how
much an elitist M.D. might tell you otherwise).
If a community
Thus spake Marcus G. Daniels circa 10/06/2008 03:28 PM:
If a community doesn't access to people with the skills to effectively
solve a problem, then the problem won't get solved. Management is just
one skill set.
But, this is precisely the problem, not the solution. This abstraction
away
glen e. p. ropella wrote:
This abstraction
away from the fully embedded _human_ to idealistic skill sets is the
problem. It's what leads us to hire experts and then remove them from
their proper context and place them in positions where they do
unimaginable and unforeseen harm (or good).
If
Thus spake Marcus G. Daniels circa 10/06/2008 04:33 PM:
glen e. p. ropella wrote:
This abstraction
away from the fully embedded _human_ to idealistic skill sets is the
problem. It's what leads us to hire experts and then remove them from
their proper context and place them in positions where
glen e. p. ropella wrote:
We're talking about the
government for and by normal people who revere safety and convenience
(which they misname freedom). And in that context, they prefer
predictability and a minimum of unforeseen consequences... even to the
point that they like and want fascism.
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