Re: [FRIAM] mass surveillance

2016-03-29 Thread glen
On 03/29/2016 04:16 PM, Robert Wall wrote: Following on to Dave's thoughts on the relationship between anonymity and freedom to express non-conforming opinions or behaviors, we can liken those vehicles with totally blackened windows that allow some of their drivers to have their basic, innate

Re: [FRIAM] mass surveillance

2016-03-29 Thread glen
Interesting! The common thread in both your responses seems to lie in consideration of consequences. The contradiction between Dave's suggestion that pressure to conform might disappear when with strangers (which we see on the internet in spades) and Steve's (and the article's) idea that a p

Re: [FRIAM] mass surveillance

2016-03-29 Thread Robert Wall
Following on to Dave's thoughts on the relationship between anonymity and freedom to express non-conforming opinions or behaviors, we can liken those vehicles with totally blackened windows that allow some of their drivers to have their basic, innate rudeness travel with them with impunity and anon

Re: [FRIAM] mass surveillance

2016-03-29 Thread Steve Smith
Glen - As usual, I like the way you think, even if I might not agree with you! I think that Mass Surveillance (caps or not) is crafted (among other things) *to* silence many voices, but as you so aptly point out, it depends on our ability to be intimidated (if not specifically to "conform" a

Re: [FRIAM] mass surveillance

2016-03-29 Thread Prof David West
Awareness of being observed by peers and your social group absolutely inhibits the expression of non-conforming behavior. Anyone who has lived in a small town – where everybody knows everybody else and where individual behavior is observed by so many others who can report that behavior to parents

Re: [FRIAM] mass surveillance

2016-03-29 Thread glen
On 03/29/2016 11:05 AM, Merle Lefkoff wrote: Thought you guys would be interested in this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/03/28/mass-surveillance-silences-minority-opinions-according-to-study/ Is it right to say that mass surveillance _causes_ the silencing? It seems t