Re: [FRIAM] pyrocumulus

2013-06-17 Thread Joshua Thorp
...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of cody dooderson Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 12:42 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] pyrocumulus WARNING this is another shameless SimTable plug. Simtable has been mapping some of the fire progressions. The tres

Re: [FRIAM] pyrocumulus

2013-06-17 Thread Stephen Guerin
Roger, After seeing this, I sent a question to the quoted researcher, Scott Bachmeier, about his method for calculating plume height. I asked if it was based on from a single image using sun angle and shadows, multiple offset satellite images or ground triangulation His reply just came in: I

Re: [FRIAM] pyrocumulus

2013-06-17 Thread Roger Critchlow
Searching nasa cloud top height product gets http://modis-atmos.gsfc.nasa.gov/MOD06_L2/ and http://enso.larc.nasa.gov/calipso_cloudsat/pub/journal/Minnis.etal.GRL.08.pdf which suggest that they're reading the temperature of the cloud tops from the IR imagery, and that they calibrated a linear fit

Re: [FRIAM] pyrocumulus

2013-06-17 Thread Stephen Guerin
Seems like it should be a standard cell phone camera surveying application to compute the angular altitude of an object above the horizon and the range of possible linear altitudes given the range of visible distances along the azimuth. Scott is working on this very thing :-) Kind of a

Re: [FRIAM] pyrocumulus

2013-06-17 Thread Roger Critchlow
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Marcus G. Daniels mar...@snoutfarm.com wrote: On 6/17/13 1:48 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote: Seems like it should be a standard cell phone camera surveying application to compute the angular altitude of an object above the horizon and the range of possible

Re: [FRIAM] pyrocumulus

2013-06-17 Thread Stephen Guerin
Marcus may have meant calibrated pinhole instead of fisheye. This is the approach we're using where we click on points in the photo and then corresponding points in google earth plugin. With 7 points we then solve for the pinhole camera parameters. Or, in the case that the image is from cell

Re: [FRIAM] pyrocumulus

2013-06-17 Thread Owen Densmore
Just in case, here's the photosynth site: http://photosynth.net/ One thing that may be lost in all this is that the fire progression maps are educational tools for incident commanders. History is important. They can scrub the fire's progress back forth to validate their own evaluation of the

Re: [FRIAM] pyrocumulus

2013-06-17 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On 6/17/13 2:47 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote: Why? Point the camera at the object in question, if you can get an accurate pose for the camera plane, then the rest is classical surveying geometry and classical optics. Aren't the sensors kind of low resolution and noisy?

Re: [FRIAM] pyrocumulus

2013-06-17 Thread Stephen Guerin
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Re: [FRIAM] pyrocumulus

2013-06-16 Thread cody dooderson
** ** *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Merle Lefkoff *Sent:* Saturday, June 15, 2013 4:32 AM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] pyrocumulus ** ** Roger ** ** Hi, I'm working in Bhutan

Re: [FRIAM] pyrocumulus

2013-06-15 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Lefkoff Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 4:32 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] pyrocumulus Roger Hi, I'm working in Bhutan. Is there a big fire in New Mexico? Merle Sent from my iPhone On Jun 15, 2013, at 12:19 AM, Roger Critchlow r...@elf.org wrote

Re: [FRIAM] pyrocumulus

2013-06-15 Thread Roger Critchlow
details will have to come from others. N ** ** *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Merle Lefkoff *Sent:* Saturday, June 15, 2013 4:32 AM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] pyrocumulus ** ** Roger

[FRIAM] pyrocumulus

2013-06-14 Thread Roger Critchlow
Here's a pyrocumulus over the Silver fire estimated at 6-7 miles (31-37 thousand feet), though I don't know how he worked out the angles from Wisconsin. http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/view.php?id=81402src=eorss-nh -- rec --