Re: [FRIAM] are we how we behave?

Steve writes: “Reminds me of the (in)famous Robert Heinlein quote so (s?)favored by Libertarians and other strong Individualists: A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set

Re: [FRIAM] are we how we behave?

My problem is not with “or X or Y”, it is with the idea that any particular assignments of X and Y are especially valuable, assuming that learning X or Y (whatever the assignments) is equally difficult. From: Friam on behalf of Steven A Smith Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity

Re: [FRIAM] are we how we behave?

ither-or between depth/breadth, but maybe more of an appreciation for being (more) able to choose a subset of what breadth/depth one will seek to explore/cover? - Steve On 3/6/19 2:29 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Steve writes: “Reminds me of the (in)famous Robert Heinlein quote so (s?)favored by Liberta

Re: [FRIAM] are we how we behave?

replace the alternator because I've already done a diagnostic on the battery and know it's fine? And is the former or the latter more indicative of general intelligence? On 3/6/19 1:29 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Life has finite length and the rate of learning is finite. Individuals

Re: [FRIAM] are we how we behave?

And cellulite. I would suggest they go to Starbucks and snap out of it before their bosses find out how they are pissing away company money. On 3/5/19, 11:37 AM, "uǝlƃ ☣" wrote: Salt-air yoga and access to a shaman! Sign me up. On 3/5/19 9:40 AM, Marcus Dan

Re: [FRIAM] are we how we behave?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/04/technology/modern-elder-resort-silicon-valley-ageism.html On 3/1/19, 4:00 PM, "Friam on behalf of uǝlƃ ☣" wrote: Ha! It's more likely that, "Every year, I edit out more details that may contradict my opinion of myself." On 3/1/19 2:49 PM, Nick

Re: [FRIAM] are we how we behave?

< My "elder" colleague was making a good point in that new context where there was always a lot of "hype" flying around (program managers selling it to sponsors and tech folks selling it to program managers) and it appeared that every "new face" was given a grace period, but after a few years if

[FRIAM] editorial by Frans de Waal

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/08/opinion/sunday/emotions-animals-humans.html FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets

Re: [FRIAM] are we how we behave?

as snowing him on this or that explanation of what was happening. The consideration of edge cases are often decent heuristics for approximating complete security. On 3/7/19 11:23 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > < As Steve tried to point out with the "form leads/fo

Re: [FRIAM] are we how we behave?

ke the car-ignorant Lyft driver. Which pool should each of us pay attention to? And where do we get our guidelines for paying attention to which pool? On 3/7/19 2:02 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Obviously there would still be public pools of information. "Lyf

Re: [FRIAM] Human Magnetoreception!

MRIs go up to about 3 Tesla. I'm told by someone that works at the high magnetic field lab at LANL, at higher fields, like 10 Tesla, one will start to see colors. On 3/19/19, 10:12 AM, "Friam on behalf of uǝlƃ ☣" wrote:

Re: [FRIAM] are we how we behave?

y issue. But, again, this is not "to relate". It's to solve a particular problem, whether or not that problem was implicitly solved by infrastructure (aka cultural tendencies). On 3/7/19 1:46 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > There are security issues and there are non-security issues.

Re: [FRIAM] are we how we behave?

< As Steve tried to point out with the "form leads/follows function" and his talk about a well-stated problem, in order to delegate, say, "fix my car", I have to know that the car is the problem. If, for example, the real problem is that I don't know how to drive the car, there's nothing the

Re: [FRIAM] With a summer clock comming(as compared to winter)

Everyone should use UTC. Then everyone’s Outlook calendars would be aligned. From: Friam on behalf of Gillian Densmore Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Date: Saturday, March 9, 2019 at 8:00 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject:

Re: [FRIAM] Modeling 4chan: roles, topics, beliefs, strawman, anonymity, etc.

amic story and a static story? [Non]Linear stories? Multiple story tellers versus an omniscient third party narrator? Interactive versus passive? [†] Yes, of course. But they're still stories. [†] Bandersnatch was interesting: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9495224/ On 1/28/19 10:47

Re: [FRIAM] Modeling 4chan: roles, topics, beliefs, strawman, anonymity, etc.

Even if (or especially because) the audience member can't "feel like"/empathize with the actor, they will likely have (or not) a "believability" or "suspension of disbelief" that percolates through the performance. On 1/28/19 12:40 PM, Marcus D

Re: [FRIAM] Modeling 4chan: roles, topics, beliefs, strawman, anonymity, etc.

Glen writes: < But further, I can continue to claim that roles are more expressive than topics because roles communicate the uncertainty/variation surrounding points of view that topics can only vaguely hint at. > Or they can just be a distraction, like Elizabeth Warren showing that she

Re: [FRIAM] Modeling 4chan: roles, topics, beliefs, strawman, anonymity, etc.

Glen writes: < Further, at middle age, both women and men can face mid-life crises, empty nests, etc. where the identity upon which they've converged dissipates and they're left wondering: WTF? > I don't really get the mid-life crisis thing. Maybe there is a mid-life modest heating

Re: [FRIAM] Modeling 4chan: roles, topics, beliefs, strawman, anonymity, etc.

are not distractions, at all. I'd claim they are indicators for deeper messages, waiting to be interpreted. On 1/28/19 1:57 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Or they can just be a distraction, like Elizabeth Warren showing that she drinks beer. If the actor creates a rich diction

Re: [FRIAM] Modeling 4chan: roles, topics, beliefs, strawman, anonymity, etc.

around 2018 taken on larger and larger targets. I think they took on ISIS(that one) ... Point being 4Chan isn't all that complicated. Carry on with what looks to be over thinking a simple topic though. On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 5:45 PM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: I thin

Re: [FRIAM] enough sleep?

rse person than I already am. On 4/9/19 8:46 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > The nature of our economy rewards people that keep their nose to the grindstone. Locally it is a good optimization, but globally you work till you drop. Maybe you go on a Viking River Cruise or someth

Re: [FRIAM] enough sleep?

Gary writes: “The former says that we need to keep our noses to the grindstone in order to compete (or in the past, to merely survive).” At least the corporation-centric view makes some sense.As far as group survival goes, these days, I take a pretty globalist view. The folks that

Re: [FRIAM] enough sleep?

Steve writes: "I also live with two dogs (and a cat) who nap *all the time* and while they occasionally present as "groggy" when woken abruptly, they mostly slide in and out of sleep according to need, efficiently and well as best I can tell." I've got a big shepherd mix dog who

Re: [FRIAM] enough sleep?

led)- fact is that with mental health issues on a huge rise part of that is from sleep, or lack of, The data is their to back it. On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 4:01 PM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: Steve writes: "I also live with two dogs (and a cat) who nap *al

Re: [FRIAM] /Topic Latent in: Latent Topics was: enough sleep?

Glen writes: "What mechanism is responsible for these patterns of expectation, given (what seems to me) a co-evolutionary milieu far from equilibrium? Is it simply Hebbian/reinforcement learning, an embodied type of (false) induction? I'm skeptical because of your (Steve) question about the

Re: [FRIAM] Everything she knows...

The cosmic muffin people seem to think that it Is important to think nice things (of course defined by them) and that nice things will happen as a result.They fail to see how they are a source of negative entropy and thus in fact an energy barrier for the larger population, and more often

Re: [FRIAM] keyboard and hard drive recommendations wanted.

I have a Das keyboard too, one of those with no key labels. ☺ Btw, the new Cascade Lake machines are out now and offer Optane memory modules. I think this could be transformative in computational science -- open-ended persistent memory that is byte-addressable. From: Friam on behalf of

Re: [FRIAM] Thorstein Veblen?

Barry writes: "I mention this only as another bit of evidence that the world is smaller than you think." It's big but compresses remarkably well. It matters whether we are counting classes or instances. Marcus FRIAM Applied

Re: [FRIAM] Everything she knows...

attraction-again/ I re-read those entries before sending this to be sure my self from 4-5 years ago doesn't sound too stupid. But, IDK. Life's too short to be embarrassed. On 4/15/19 8:39 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > The cosmic muffin people seem to think that it Is impor

Re: [FRIAM] Everything she knows...

://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 4:38 PM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: And anyway he’s dead. From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>>

Re: [FRIAM] Everything she knows...

gepr.wordpress.com/2015/10/28/law-of-attraction-again/ I re-read those entries before sending this to be sure my self from 4-5 years ago doesn't sound too stupid. But, IDK. Life's too short to be embarrassed. On 4/15/19 8:39 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > The cosmic muffin people seem to think

Re: [FRIAM] Everything she knows...

People are prone to rationalizing their investments as their preferences. For example, some might claim they bought a house because they want a home. Another valid reason is to have equity, recognizing the practical need for shelter.Whatever the claimed motive, it is expected people

Re: [FRIAM] Everything she knows...

In a gig economy, I don't see how "serve" is very meaningful, never mind "worship". I think the Gen Y folks are right to be (supposedly) selfish and indifferent to the needs of the organization. No one else will look out for them in the workforce. On 4/16/19, 8:48 AM, "Friam on behalf of

Re: [FRIAM] Everything she knows...

With quantum annealer, one can make the distinction between logical qubits and physical qubits. Logical qubits can be formed from physical qubits by connecting physical qubits by strong pairwise ferromagnetic couplings. The low energy state of a system thus (in principle) has physical qubits

Re: [FRIAM] Everything she knows...

? --- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Tue, Apr 16, 2019, 11:46 AM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: In

Re: [FRIAM] Everything she knows...

Jochen writes: < We have a kind of tunnelling in social systems for startups: they borrow money which they don't have from venture capital companies and banks, and this allows them to "tunnel" through unprofitable times. > Seems thermal to me. A start-up is hot, high-energy, even reckless,

Re: [FRIAM] Everything she knows...

Perhaps as efforts to address diseases like Parkinson’s and MS via gene therapy, there will be more interest in protection & enhancement cognition as well. Of course there’s Kernel and Neuralink too.I know Kung

Re: [FRIAM] Trans/Post Homo Erectus/Sapiens/Faber/Hiveus

Steve writes: < I personally expect *practical* post/transhumanism to continue inevitably at an accelerated rate and see no advantage in trying to stand in it's way, but DO feel an ethical drive to try to at least caution against the kinds of technological-outrunning-of-headlights I believe

Re: [FRIAM] Everything she knows...

I sometimes find Maher entertaining but John Oliver has a better show in that it is a synthesis, weaponized to make a point.Oliver's researchers could probably get a job for Frontline just as well. Maher is more like a show for venting and schadenfreude -- it is different from a sermon.

Re: [FRIAM] Trans/Post Homo Erectus/Sapiens/Faber/Hiveus

< As an (apparent) proponent of fairly aggressive trans-humanism, can you elaborate on what you see as the biggest promises/cautions to the ideas involved? > Here are a couple in the news recently.

Re: [FRIAM] /Topic Latent in: Latent Topics was: enough sleep?

Steve writes: < It seems like an elaboration of "constraint provides form"? > Here I'll admit I just have no interest in games, puzzles, and most sports. Just what IS the point? I think it is the same kind of psychology at work: Let's create some artificial thing that can be mastered or at

Re: [FRIAM] /Topic Latent in: Latent Topics was: enough sleep?

AM] /Topic Latent in: Latent Topics was: enough sleep? On 4/11/19 10:08 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > What I'm pitching here is not to extend identity, but to annihilate it. Can we, though? In the conversation about playing roles instead of simply changing topics of

Re: [FRIAM] /Topic Latent in: Latent Topics was: enough sleep?

Steve writes: < What little Buddhist/Meditation affinity/practice I have suggests that it is an illusion which on a good day is fully ignored ("but by whom?" the paradox asks). To the extent that *most* everyone I know presents to me (or I apprehend them as such) as an ego-centric

Re: [FRIAM] /Topic Latent in: Latent Topics was: enough sleep?

Glen writes: "Just try to do the work! Who cares what you think about your self?" Uh huh. The right way to think is What Needs To Get Done, not whether you get github stars to show you did it in a day or a month, or that it shows any sort of consistency on your CV. No one gives a damn.

Re: [FRIAM] /Topic Latent in: Latent Topics was: enough sleep?

ple care to provide distinguishing definitions for a lazy dilettante like me? On 4/11/19 12:07 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Among engineers, especially young ones, one way the ego-centric individual presents herself is via Not Invented Here (NIH). She simply cannot imagine studying

Re: [FRIAM] /Topic Latent in: Latent Topics was: enough sleep?

Glen writes: "Do any of you psych people care to provide distinguishing definitions for a lazy dilettante like me?" I find this kind of evidence unsatisfactory.How people act as individuals or in groups says nothing about how an AI might function as individuals or in groups. It's

Re: [FRIAM] /Topic Latent in: Latent Topics was: enough sleep?

Steve writes: < What Marcus references as "gelling" and "need for social order" strikes me as superficial goals which are emergent properties, not sufficient pre-conditions. My experience with overly formal organizations is that they tend to try to enforce those things, losing

Re: [FRIAM] "I have no idea what's going on." -- Towelie

Glen writes: "mumbling about how energy quantification does imply a ground state" I didn't trace through all this, but what about degenerate states (with large Hamming distances)? Marcus FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets

Re: [FRIAM] "I have no idea what's going on." -- Towelie

Glen writes: < An additional basic question would be whether or not there are "lateral states of different kind" (that's my own nonsense phrase). I.e. maybe an atom can be in an energy state X that is (reductively) the same energy level as another state Y, but with or without the ability to

Re: [FRIAM] Meeting of the Mother Church

The one use I can see for in-person meetings is to prevent doing just that. Put your mobile device in an RF-shielded box and then speak freely. From: Friam on behalf of Steven A Smith Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Date: Sunday, June 2, 2019 at 12:18 PM To:

Re: [FRIAM] Meeting of the Mother Church

I use Zoom and Facetime all the time over my mobile phone, either directly or by a personal hotspot. Also iPhone wired tethering works well on Linux after installing usbmuxd and libimobiledevice. From: Friam on behalf of Barry MacKichan Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee

Re: [FRIAM] sensitive, aren't we?

Ranking of cattle https://beef2live.com/story-cattle-inventory-state-rankings-89-108182 And finally a city with the right priorities! https://thebolditalic.com/there-are-more-dogs-than-kids-in-sf-so-why-are-they-so-hard-to-have-a1e63d1ff6b4 From: Friam on behalf of Frank Wimberly Reply-To:

Re: [FRIAM] sensitive, aren't we?

We jettisoned much of our furniture when we moved to California. So until we buy new shelves, the books and other dubious accumulations are stored in nice boxes in the garage.Somehow we get by. Books really are an anachronism. Meanwhile bay area network speeds are a gigabit a second

Re: [FRIAM] sensitive, aren't we?

/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Fri, Jun 21, 2019, 1:16 PM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: We jettisoned much of our furniture when we moved to California. So until we buy new shelves, the

Re: [FRIAM] Narrative bending

Glen writes: "All this running around, apologizing for their drunken behavior, trying to make amends, relinquishing the control/guilt/self-made-myth, etc. has completely distorted, if not broken, their previous (self-centered) narrative. In that sense, AA is like any other (authentic)

Re: [FRIAM] Narrative bending

Glen writes: "The point is to bend or break the (false) narratives those diachronic people tell themselves and make them pay closer attention to the facts staring them in the face. And AA does that for some people." A false narrative and the absence of continuity (episodic) seem pretty

Re: [FRIAM] "I have no idea what's going on." -- Towelie

Glen writes: "What evidence is there of degenerate ground states?" The Hamiltonians for a logical operator like an OR gate need ground-state degeneracies for non-trivial applications. Configuration Input0 Input1 -> Output A 0 0 -> 0 B 0 1 -> 1 C 1 0 -> 1 D 1 1 -> 1 P(A) = P(B) = P(C) = P(D) =

Re: [FRIAM] "I have no idea what's going on." -- Towelie

g things below the resolution allowed by the drive beam, I remain completely lost. Hopefully, I'll try again soon ... maybe on an airplane flight when I have nothing to distract me. 8^) On 5/18/19 8:00 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Glen writes: > > "What e

Re: [FRIAM] "I have no idea what's going on." -- Towelie

Glen writes: < To what extent is "energy" a reductive projection of what's actually (ontologically) extant? > In the case of the physics of a crystal or a restricted Boltzmann machine (a neural net), it could be a sufficient description... < Given all that, and what you say ("... not the

Re: [FRIAM] Reasons why we elect narcissists

Glen writes: "Well, my memory is *terrible*. That helps." A poor memory could cause one to fall back on the old habits without realizing it.(Not "*Why* did I do that again?!") Marcus FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv

Re: [FRIAM] Reasons why we elect narcissists

Glen writes: < I recently had an offline discussion with Steve Smith about Galen Strawson's episodic vs. diachronic personalities. And I definitely identify as episodic. > The snowflake analogy in another thread seems apt. While I recognize I'm some form of ice one h, my life history leads

Re: [FRIAM] Reasons why we elect narcissists

Thanks for doing that now instead of waiting a few months so that I'd have forgotten about accepting that lovely wooden horse. On 5/8/19 11:59 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Their examples were more about (big) systems-level phenomena, anyway. So it is true by construction

Re: [FRIAM] A Question For Tomorrow

Eric writes: < The important consequence of this understanding is that we have mathematical formalizations of the concept of state and of observable, and they are two different kinds of concept. It is precisely that both can be defined, that the theory needs both to function in its complete

Re: [FRIAM] A Question For Tomorrow

< Why do people seek this (as Eric puts it) emotional comfort with their ways of knowing? > Either spacetime works in a surprising way and commonsense intuition is just wrong -- to cling to a familiar way of knowing amounts to taking the blue pill -- settling for crude satisficing heuristics

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