Re: [Full-disclosure] Fwd: cnn.com - Homeland Security seeks cyber counterattack system(Einstein 3.0)

2008-10-07 Thread James Matthews
The us government can't ever get their act together. It's just a waste of time On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Buhrmaster, Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Which is easier to shut down, an attack coming from a relatively small number of /16s that belong to the government, or one coming from the

Re: [Full-disclosure] Fwd: cnn.com - Homeland Security seeks cyber counterattack system (Einstein 3.0)

2008-10-07 Thread Bruce Ediger
On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hint 2: If botnets in home computers were so easy to shut down, why are there so many miscreants still using them for nefarious purposes? Easy. For the same reason that the NSA used to have (circa 1985) big, 3-ring binders full of 0-days for VMS,

Re: [Full-disclosure] Fwd: cnn.com - Homeland Security seeks cyber counterattack system (Einstein 3.0)

2008-10-07 Thread Miller Grey
What? I think I missed something here. On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Bruce Ediger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hint 2: If botnets in home computers were so easy to shut down, why are there so many miscreants still using them for nefarious

Re: [Full-disclosure] Fwd: cnn.com - Homeland Security seeks cyber counterattack system (Einstein 3.0)

2008-10-07 Thread Bruce Ediger
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008, Miller Grey wrote: What? I think I missed something here. On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Bruce Ediger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hint 2: If botnets in home computers were so easy to shut down, why are there so many miscreants

Re: [Full-disclosure] Fwd: cnn.com - Homeland Security seeks cyber counterattack system (Einstein 3.0)

2008-10-06 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:30:11 BST, n3td3v said: You guys are living in cloud cuckoo land. The rogue government wouldn't have their bot nets in home computers that you could shut down easily. Which is easier to shut down, an attack coming from a relatively small number of /16s that belong to

Re: [Full-disclosure] Fwd: cnn.com - Homeland Security seeks cyber counterattack system(Einstein 3.0)

2008-10-06 Thread Buhrmaster, Gary
Which is easier to shut down, an attack coming from a relatively small number of /16s that belong to the government, or one coming from the same number of source nodes scattered *all* over Comcast and Verizon and BT and a few other major providers? Hint 1: Consider the number of entry

Re: [Full-disclosure] Fwd: cnn.com - Homeland Security seeks cyber counterattack system (Einstein 3.0)

2008-10-05 Thread James Matthews
They generally don't have any clue what they want. This is only a PR stunt On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 10:30 AM, n3td3v [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bad idea, The rogue government would use hospitals and power stations, to cyber human shield against the counter attack. You guys are living in cloud

Re: [Full-disclosure] Fwd: cnn.com - Homeland Security seeks cyber counterattack system (Einstein 3.0)

2008-10-05 Thread n3td3v
Yes, they put these bizarre ideas out there to see what public opinion is, they don't have a chance in hell of implementing it. On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 6:46 PM, James Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They generally don't have any clue what they want. This is only a PR stunt On Sun, Oct 5, 2008