Re: [Full-disclosure] U.S. Is Losing Global Cyberwar, Commission Says

2008-12-10 Thread Elazar Broad
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 "You should revisit this opinion after you're out of school and in the workforce for 5 years. :)" 6 years and counting, a little cynicism never hurt anyone. On a side note, I am well aware of the impact that PCI has had on the industry(currently invol

Re: [Full-disclosure] U.S. Is Losing Global Cyberwar, Commission Says

2008-12-10 Thread Elazar Broad
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Financial IT has much competence, the problem is the red tape and politics that many face when trying to get the job done, but then again, you have that everywhere, I am just venting/lamenting over it... On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:23:38 -0500 Luke Scharf

Re: [Full-disclosure] U.S. Is Losing Global Cyberwar, Commission Says

2008-12-10 Thread Luke Scharf
Michael Krymson wrote: > Like tiny Link holding the almighty Triforce braced overhead glinting in the > sunlight, so too shall we raise up PCI to the heavens as our shining, > guiding light of all things good; it will save us from all evils, so shall > it be... > > You should revisit this opinion a

Re: [Full-disclosure] U.S. Is Losing Global Cyberwar, Commission Says

2008-12-10 Thread Michael Krymson
Like tiny Link holding the almighty Triforce braced overhead glinting in the sunlight, so too shall we raise up PCI to the heavens as our shining, guiding light of all things good; it will save us from all evils, so shall it be... You should revisit this opinion after you're out of school and in t

Re: [Full-disclosure] U.S. Is Losing Global Cyberwar, Commission Says

2008-12-09 Thread Elazar Broad
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The no one refers to your average joe consumer, not the PCI SSC, I am well aware that there is no easy solution, however, at the same time, why worry about something when someone else can worry and pay for you... On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:53:29 -0500 Luk

Re: [Full-disclosure] U.S. Is Losing Global Cyberwar, Commission Says

2008-12-09 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:41:41 EST, Elazar Broad said: >My > rant was a little bit of wishful thinking and a shred of belief in > the human race... You're new here, aren't you? :) pgpVetzEtfcqV.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [Full-disclosure] U.S. Is Losing Global Cyberwar, Commission Says

2008-12-09 Thread Luke Scharf
Elazar Broad wrote: > Neither, because ultimately no one cares, and that is why the > financial industry foots the 60 billion identity theft bill. My > rant was a little bit of wishful thinking and a shred of belief in > the human race... > Having been a student in a computer-security training

Re: [Full-disclosure] U.S. Is Losing Global Cyberwar, Commission Says

2008-12-09 Thread Elazar Broad
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Neither, because ultimately no one cares, and that is why the financial industry foots the 60 billion identity theft bill. My rant was a little bit of wishful thinking and a shred of belief in the human race... On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:51:57 -0500 [EMAI

Re: [Full-disclosure] U.S. Is Losing Global Cyberwar, Commission Says

2008-12-09 Thread n3td3v
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Ivan . <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/dec2008/db2008127_817606.htm > They say the enemy is the intelligence services of other nations, but if they want to be taken seriously, they need to start releasing proof to th

Re: [Full-disclosure] U.S. Is Losing Global Cyberwar, Commission Says

2008-12-09 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:26:15 EST, Elazar Broad said: > I never said we need to do something, passive awareness *can* go a > long way... Right. The danger is that you want to give the people a *reason* to care. "If you're not careful, your account could be emptied and you'll be very surprised at

Re: [Full-disclosure] U.S. Is Losing Global Cyberwar, Commission Says

2008-12-09 Thread Elazar Broad
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I never said we need to do something, passive awareness *can* go a long way... On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:12:25 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:20:36 EST, Elazar Broad said: >> Changing the public opinion and mindset might go a long

Re: [Full-disclosure] U.S. Is Losing Global Cyberwar, Commission Says

2008-12-09 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:20:36 EST, Elazar Broad said: > Changing the public opinion and mindset might go a long way > especially if its something like "your credit card could be funding > the next 911", that's just a though though. Do you *really* want to go there? We *already* have enough proble

Re: [Full-disclosure] U.S. Is Losing Global Cyberwar, Commission Says

2008-12-09 Thread Elazar Broad
t; >government >> >contractors are making *way* too much money off my taxes. >> > >> >__ >> >Rafal M. Los >> >IT Security - Response | Mitigation | Strategy >> > >> >E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > - Blog: http://preachsecurity.blogspot.com >> > >> >

Re: [Full-disclosure] U.S. Is Losing Global Cyberwar, Commission Says

2008-12-09 Thread Ureleet
ROTECTED] >> > - Blog: http://preachsecurity.blogspot.com >> > >> > ------------------ >> > From: "Ivan ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > Sent: Monday, Dec

Re: [Full-disclosure] U.S. Is Losing Global Cyberwar, Commission Says

2008-12-09 Thread Luke Scharf
Luke Scharf wrote: Rafal @ IsHackingYou.com wrote: Hold the phone...$5k-$7k to fix an infected device!? Really? HOLY CRAP... either that's a completely made-up "FUD" figure, or the government contractors are making *way* too much money off my taxes. If you count lost productivity for

Re: [Full-disclosure] U.S. Is Losing Global Cyberwar, Commission Says

2008-12-09 Thread Luke Scharf
Rafal @ IsHackingYou.com wrote: Hold the phone...$5k-$7k to fix an infected device!? Really? HOLY CRAP... either that's a completely made-up "FUD" figure, or the government contractors are making *way* too much money off my taxes. If you count lost productivity for both the IT staff w

Re: [Full-disclosure] U.S. Is Losing Global Cyberwar, Commission Says

2008-12-09 Thread James Matthews
fal M. Los > > IT Security - Response | Mitigation | Strategy > > > > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - Blog: http://preachsecurity.blogspot.com > > > > -- > > From: "Ivan ." <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: [Full-disclosure] U.S. Is Losing Global Cyberwar, Commission Says

2008-12-09 Thread Ureleet
- > From: "Ivan ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 5:14 PM > To: "Full-Disclosure mailing list" > Subject: [Full-disclosure] U.S. Is Losing Global Cyberwar, Commission Says > >> http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/cont

Re: [Full-disclosure] U.S. Is Losing Global Cyberwar, Commission Says

2008-12-08 Thread James Matthews
- > >From: "Ivan ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 5:14 PM > >To: "Full-Disclosure mailing list" >[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: [Full-disclosure] U.S. Is Losing Global Cyberwar, > >Commission Says > &g

Re: [Full-disclosure] U.S. Is Losing Global Cyberwar, Commission Says

2008-12-08 Thread Elazar Broad
il: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - Blog: http://preachsecurity.blogspot.com > >-- >From: "Ivan ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 5:14 PM >To: "Full-Disclosure mailing list" [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [Full-disclosur

Re: [Full-disclosure] U.S. Is Losing Global Cyberwar, Commission Says

2008-12-08 Thread Rafal @ IsHackingYou.com
trategy E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Blog: http://preachsecurity.blogspot.com -- From: "Ivan ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 5:14 PM To: "Full-Disclosure mailing list" Subject: [Full-disclosure] U

[Full-disclosure] U.S. Is Losing Global Cyberwar, Commission Says

2008-12-08 Thread Ivan .
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/dec2008/db2008127_817606.htm ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/