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2013-06-13 Thread Justin Ferguson
> Freedom of speech and freedom of anonymous speech is protected by the first > amendment.. There is nothing anywhere in any of US law, whether it be the bill of rights or case law/judicial review which *modifies* those rights. More over, you probably mean to reference the 4th amendment, not the

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2013-06-13 Thread Alexander Arlt
Am 06/12/2013 01:08 AM, schrieb Justin Ferguson: >> Their Naurs devices get my info even if I store my data in Germany >> (My link to Germany goes through EEUU). > > And you think the BND does what for a living exactly? Ah, I have the joy of knowing some of the fellows over there in Pullach and

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2013-06-12 Thread Ivan .Heca
Thw commercial espionage angle is another interesting aspect of this http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130611/10014923405/is-us-using-prism-to-engage-commercial-espionage-against-germany-others.shtml On 13/06/2013 3:08 AM, "Michael Hallgren" wrote: > > http://www.internetsociety.org/news/intern

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2013-06-12 Thread Michael Hallgren
http://www.internetsociety.org/news/internet-society-statement-importance-open-global-dialogue-regarding-online-privacy mh Le 12/06/2013 16:05, William Reyor a écrit : > * are protected <-- fixed that for ya. > > - William Reyor > > On Jun 12, 2013, at 10:01 AM, laurent gaffie wrote: > >> is pro

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2013-06-12 Thread William Reyor
* are protected <-- fixed that for ya. - William Reyor On Jun 12, 2013, at 10:01 AM, laurent gaffie wrote: > is protected ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by S

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2013-06-12 Thread laurent gaffie
Freedom of speech and freedom of anonymous speech is protected by the first amendment.. https://www.eff.org/issues/anonymity 2013/6/11 Philip Whitehouse > > Seems like some people spend way to much time focusing on the second > amendment rather than the first one... > > Well this relates mai

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2013-06-12 Thread Zenny
This has been came into public attendtion recently, but it has been published earlier in March 2013 by Bruce Schneider (the twofish crypto algo developer). Read here: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/03/fbi_secretly_sp.html On 6/12/13, Philip Whitehouse wrote: > The problem is we se

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2013-06-12 Thread Pedro Worcel
Uhh, discount! That guy, what's his name, was a traitor anyway. You just cannot believe people. 2013/6/12 Ivan .Heca > Maybe all is forgiven if they discount enough > > > http://www.networkworld.com/news/2013/061113-google-amazon-cloud-270730.html?hpg1=bn > A Canadian and what appears to be a

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2013-06-12 Thread Philip Whitehouse
The problem is we seem to have neither agents with a conscience or legislation difficult to change for the spooks and their puppets. So even if we did have functioning privacy organisations willing to take on the government (Hacked Off being a notable exception but even that was primarily motiv

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2013-06-12 Thread Noel Butler
Justin, > illegally (by AU standards) accessed and passed onto ASD or the like, > however, if AU data stayed within AU, there is no chance in fuck your > out of control govt can access it to pass onto our spies, nor any way > our spies can locally access that data without a court order, > someth

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2013-06-12 Thread Noel Butler
On Tue, 2013-06-11 at 20:49 -0400, Justin Ferguson wrote: > > some parts like certain eastern European countries might have less, but the > > NSA makes the Stasi look like a boys choir. > > Now, that, that is rubbish. I'm assuming you're German. You're doing > your countries history a disservic

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2013-06-11 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 19:10:53 -0400, Justin Ferguson said: > A Canadian and what appears to be a British subject discussing the not > so finer points of American legislation. I'm sure at some point the > irony will become apparent. To be fair - they appear to know more about the US Constitution tha

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2013-06-11 Thread Justin Ferguson
> Truth be told, that statement is utter rubbish, Hah. http://www.dw.de/intelligence-service-report-confirms-bnd-spied-on-reporters/a-2032833 http://wikileaks.org/wiki/How_German_intelligence_infiltrated_Focus_magazine http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/the-world-from-berlin-bnd-agents-kn

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2013-06-11 Thread Ivan .Heca
Maybe all is forgiven if they discount enough http://www.networkworld.com/news/2013/061113-google-amazon-cloud-270730.html?hpg1=bn A Canadian and what appears to be a British subject discussing the not so finer points of American legislation. I'm sure at some point the irony will become apparent.

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2013-06-11 Thread Justin Ferguson
A Canadian and what appears to be a British subject discussing the not so finer points of American legislation. I'm sure at some point the irony will become apparent. On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Philip Whitehouse wrote: > > Seems like some people spend way to much time focusing on the second

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2013-06-11 Thread Justin Ferguson
> What? I am not from EEUU, so why should I be happy with this? I have my own > constitution and it is been ignored and crushed be EEUU, > Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, Dropbox, Amazon?, UK etc. Spies spy, amazing I know. It's generally illegal when one gets caught, thus the danger inherent in non-of

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2013-06-11 Thread Philip Whitehouse
> Seems like some people spend way to much time focusing on the second > amendment rather than the first one... > Well this relates mainly to the fourth amendment, not the first. The first tends to get decent coverage. Publication of the leak by journalists is the only under the realm of the f

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2013-06-11 Thread Pablo
What? I am not from EEUU, so why should I be happy with this? I have my own constitution and it is been ignored and crushed be EEUU, Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, Dropbox, Amazon?, UK etc. Their Naurs devices get my info even if I store my data in Germany (My link to Germany goes through EEUU). SS

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2013-06-11 Thread Reed Black
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:15 PM, laurent gaffie wrote: > Why is the Prims program such a big deal today? Most of us knew about > echellon and the patriot act didnt we? There is more opportunity for action once the press is helping the public understand the basics. Before this, it was more diffi

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2013-06-11 Thread Lorenz Intichar
Justin Ferguson wrote: "Think about it: In order for cloud computing solutions to be seen as viable alternatives to more traditional desktop solutions users -- personal and business users alike -- need to be 100 percent certain their data is secure." WTF? Most Most Small- to Medium-Sized Business

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2013-06-10 Thread Justin Ferguson
Ignoring that I'm replying to this from an ec2 box and thus the cloud is obviously not dead. We can't accept the first premise: "Think about it: In order for cloud computing solutions to be seen as viable alternatives to more traditional desktop solutions users -- personal and business users alike

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2013-06-10 Thread Daniel Preussker
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2013-06-10 Thread Kurt Buff
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 9:15 PM, laurent gaffie > wrote: >> Why is the Prims program such a big deal today? Most of us knew about >> echelon and the patriot act didn't we? This program was unconstitutional at >> the first place and should

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2013-06-10 Thread Ivan .Heca
A number of cloud provider business plans will need tweaking now On 11/06/2013 11:30 AM, "Jeffrey Walton" wrote: > On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 9:15 PM, laurent gaffie > wrote: > > Why is the Prims program such a big deal today? Most of us knew about > > echelon and the patriot act didn't we? T

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2013-06-10 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 9:15 PM, laurent gaffie wrote: > Why is the Prims program such a big deal today? Most of us knew about > echelon and the patriot act didn't we? This program was unconstitutional at > the first place and should have raised indignation when it was approved at > that time...

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2013-06-10 Thread laurent gaffie
Why is the Prims program such a big deal today? Most of us knew about echellon and the patriot act didnt we? This program was unconstinutional at the first place and should have raised indignation when it was approved at that time... Seems like some people spend way to much time focusing on the

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2013-06-10 Thread Ivan .Heca
http://m.blogs.computerworld.com/cloud-storage/22305/why-prism-kills-cloud ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/