Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-25 Thread Christian Sciberras
Oh my G! I'm going to quote that site next time I get to help a *nix newbie figure out permissions without sudo. Seriously by that reason I could accuse linux users of exerting too much freedom giving the allusion of godly control - which as you might have guessed is a "sin". ...unless you red

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-25 Thread M.B.Jr.
Hey kids, whazup? On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote: > If you are still running Windows 95 that's your problem. Nevertheless, if one runs Windows 7, here is the problem: http://en.windows7sins.org/ Regards, Marcio Barbado, Jr. _

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-21 Thread Georgi Guninski
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:27:22AM -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > > (Note that the esteemed Mroverlooked "unknown > knowns" - that class > of stuff we don't realize or refuse to admit we actually *do* know: > ok, i know i am a writer not a reader (like a narcisist chukcha is ;) ) ca

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-19 Thread Thor (Hammer of God)
-Original Message- From: full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk [mailto:full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of lsi Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 1:08 PM To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise) On 18 May 2010 at 14

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-19 Thread lsi
On 18 May 2010 at 14:40, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote: > In fact, this thread has inspired me to add a new section to the > Hammer of God website (currently undergoing major renovation) Uh-huh... get a new version of Dreamweaver did we? :) > I just want to make sure you understand that *I* didn't

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-18 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On Tuesday, May 18, 2010 14:40:45 + "Thor (Hammer of God)" wrote: > > > What messages warning you from using Windows? I certainly hope you do not > have me confused with the OP – I already used the term “hysteria” to > describe his ideas and subsequent recommendations. The entire premise

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-18 Thread Thor (Hammer Of God)
mail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 3:40 AM To: Cassidy MacFarlane Cc: Thor (Hammer of God); full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise) Happens they are completely unrelated stories. Also happens that I won't fall for someone's h

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-18 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 18 May 2010 18:00:52 +0300, Georgi Guninski said: > why flame about constants about detectable malware when the world missed > 100% of the undetectable malware? :) "There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things th

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-18 Thread Christian Sciberras
> *To:* Cassidy MacFarlane > *Cc:* Thor (Hammer of God); full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk > > *Subject:* Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise) > > > > Happens they are completely unrelated stories. Also happens that I won't > fall for someone's

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-18 Thread Georgi Guninski
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 08:49:29PM -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Sun, 16 May 2010 23:49:00 BST, lsi said: > > Malware is flooding at 243% (+/- error). This is consuming the > > oxygen in your machine. > > The basic error in your analysis is that although there may in fact be why fl

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-18 Thread Thor (Hammer of God)
40 AM To: Cassidy MacFarlane Cc: Thor (Hammer of God); full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise) Happens they are completely unrelated stories. Also happens that I won't fall for someone's hysteria from using windows. By the wa

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-18 Thread Christian Sciberras
know to uninstall it? > > I never said migration would be free or easy. That is why I am posting > this data here, because I see it as a vulnerability, a very big > vulnerability that many companies have not woken up to. The very fact that > migration is hard, lengthy, and expensive, means th

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-18 Thread Michael Simpson
On 17 May 2010 21:49, lsi wrote: > My interpretation of risk assessment tells me that if the chances of > denial-of-service due to malware flooding is small, but the potential > damage is substantial, despite the improbability, then that risk must > be mitigated. > Then your interpretation / risk

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-18 Thread Cassidy MacFarlane
Sent from my HTC -Original Message- From: Thor (Hammer of God) Sent: 15 May 2010 21:59 To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise) No, It's Tim Mullen. No "Bill" here. No, I don't misunderstand: You said

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-17 Thread lsi
On 17 May 2010 at 0:18, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Mon, 17 May 2010 03:48:36 BST, lsi said: > > > It is mutating at approx 243% per annum, a rate which is more than > > twice as fast as Moore's Law (200% every 24 months). I do find this > > alarming, because I want my CPU back. So does

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-17 Thread lsi
On 17 May 2010 at 18:08, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote: > >Is my business at risk, if I > >say the wrong thing, and my customers go out of business because > >their hardware/software combination is no longer viable? > In business, you are always exposed to some level of risk when you > charge for pr

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-17 Thread lsi
On 16 May 2010 at 20:49, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: To: stu...@cyberdelix.net Copies to: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject:Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise) From: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu Date sent: Sun, 16 May 2010 20:49:29 -0400 > On Sun

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-17 Thread Thor (Hammer of God)
>Is my business at risk, if I >say the wrong thing, and my customers go out of business because >their hardware/software combination is no longer viable? I imagine >these questions are on the minds of many IT managers, and with a >chart on the wall showing 243% mutation, it is only reasonable that

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-16 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 17 May 2010 03:48:36 BST, lsi said: > It is mutating at approx 243% per annum, a rate which is more than > twice as fast as Moore's Law (200% every 24 months). I do find this > alarming, because I want my CPU back. So does everyone else I know. Unfortunately, you haven't shown that the

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-16 Thread lsi
ll like it when you ask him for > > more budget? > > > > What is your long-term strategy for fixing this problem? > > > > Stu > > > > On 16 May 2010 at 19:08, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote: > > > > From: "Thor (Hammer of God)" > > To:

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-16 Thread lsi
On 16 May 2010 at 12:22, Christian Sciberras wrote: >> An interesting point - Unicode? >> >> I don't think 5Mb files are infeasible, especially as time passes, >> that'll be just a blip before long. > You call it a "blip" yet you are counting in infections for *everywhere* and > *anyone* so, wha

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-16 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sun, 16 May 2010 23:49:00 BST, lsi said: > Malware is flooding at 243% (+/- error). This is consuming the > oxygen in your machine. The basic error in your analysis is that although there may in fact be 243% more malware samples, that doesn't translate into 243% more oxygen consumption. Consi

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-16 Thread Christian Sciberras
r > more budget? > > What is your long-term strategy for fixing this problem? > > Stu > > On 16 May 2010 at 19:08, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote: > > From: "Thor (Hammer of God)" > To: "full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk" < > full-disclosure@lists.gr

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-16 Thread lsi
Sun, 16 May 2010 19:08:26 +0000 Subject:Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise) > The error in your overall thesis is your failure to identify the difference > between threat and risk. You are interacting with Symantec's report of "x > new threats" as

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-16 Thread Thor (Hammer of God)
o try to defend against being hit by falling alien poo? t >An interesting point - Unicode? > >I don't think 5Mb files are infeasible, especially as time passes, >that'll be just a blip before long. > >Stu > >On 15 May 2010 at 14:59, Christian Sciberras wr

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-16 Thread Christian Sciberras
> > On 16 May 2010 at 3:06, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote: > > From: "Thor (Hammer of God)" > To: "full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk" disclos...@lists.grok.org.uk> > Date sent: Sun, 16 May 2010 03:06:18 + > Subj

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread lsi
evelopment platform! > > Ladies and Gentlemen, Goodnight! > > t > > -Original Message- > From: full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk > [mailto:full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of lsi > Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 7:15 PM > To: full-disclosur

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
On 16 May 2010, at 04:06, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote: > Oh, one last thing - your "dear Pegasus" 4.51 Windows-based program that you > hypocritically hold on to while demonizing Windows and .NET was... wait for > it wait for it written with Visual Studio 2008 C++ - a proud > Micro

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread Thor (Hammer of God)
elopment platform! Ladies and Gentlemen, Goodnight! t -Original Message- From: full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk [mailto:full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of lsi Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 7:15 PM To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclos

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread lsi
On 16 May 2010 at 3:15, lsi wrote: > > The "amount of free disk space on a drive" utility you wrote > > supports multiple drives on one commandline Sorry, correction, it doesn't do that. Stu --- Stuart Udall stuart a...@cyberdelix.dot net - http://www.cyberdelix.net/ --- * Origin: lsi: revo

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread lsi
those issues. Does this surprise you? Stu > -Original Message- > From: full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk > [mailto:full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of lsi > Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 4:15 PM > To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk > Su

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread Thor (Hammer of God)
-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of lsi Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 4:15 PM To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise) > IOW, you took what Symantec's numbers were for one year, and guessed > they would be the same for thi

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread lsi
-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk > [mailto:full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of lsi > Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 1:07 PM > To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk > Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise) > > Is that you, Bill? > > I think y

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread Peter Besenbruch
On Sat, 15 May 2010 16:22:26 -0400 Jeffrey Walton wrote: > This is > along the lines of, 'Linux does not get viruses' argument. Give me a > break... I set up a dual boot arrangement on a friend's machine. The Windows side promptly got infected. The guy was furious and blamed his son. Fortunately

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread shawn Davison
Sent from my HTC Touch Pro2 on the Now Network from Sprint®. -Original Message- From: BMF Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 4:54 PM To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise) On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Thor (Hammer of God)

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread rdsears
bility is larger than ever. >> >> Stu >> >> On 15 May 2010 at 14:40, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote: >> >> From: "Thor (Hammer of God)" >> To: "full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk" > disclos...@lists.grok.org.uk>

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread BMF
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > As opposed to crowd sourcing, which some claim is inherently more > secure because more [uneducated] eyes review the source code? There are far more educated eyes able to review the Linux source code than the Windows source code. The uneduc

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread Thor (Hammer of God)
products and re-write all of your .NET code immediately because AV won't be able to keep up with it." t -Original Message- From: full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk [mailto:full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of lsi Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 1:07 PM To: full-

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread BMF
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote: > I am constantly amazed at posts like this where you make yourself sound like > some sort of statistical genius because you were "able to predict" that since > last year was %243, that this year would be %243. Wow. Really? I agree

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread Jeffrey Walton
; > On 15 May 2010 at 14:40, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote: > > From:                   "Thor (Hammer of God)" > To:                     "full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk" disclos...@lists.grok.org.uk> > Date sent:              Sat, 15 May 2010 14:40:29 + > S

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread lsi
An interesting point - Unicode? I don't think 5Mb files are infeasible, especially as time passes, that'll be just a blip before long. Stu On 15 May 2010 at 14:59, Christian Sciberras wrote: Date sent: Sat, 15 May 2010 14:59:46 +0100 Subject: Re: [Full-disclosur

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread lsi
t: Sat, 15 May 2010 14:40:29 +0000 Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise) > I am constantly amazed at posts like this where you make yourself sound like > some sort of statistical genius because you were "able to predict" that since > la

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread Thor (Hammer Of God)
That kind of goes for everything, doesn't it? T On May 15, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Peter Besenbruch wrote: > On Sat, 15 May 2010 14:40:29 + > "Thor (Hammer of God)" wrote: > >> And for the record, these claims of 'inherent insecurity' in Windows >> are simply ignorant. If you are still runni

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread Peter Besenbruch
On Sat, 15 May 2010 14:40:29 + "Thor (Hammer of God)" wrote: > And for the record, these claims of 'inherent insecurity' in Windows > are simply ignorant. If you are still running Windows 95 that's your > problem. Do a little research before post assertions based on 10 or > 20 year old issu

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread Thor (Hammer of God)
t; t -Original Message- From: full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk [mailto:full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of lsi Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:12 AM To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise) Hi All! Just a followup

[Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread lsi
Hi All! Just a followup from my posting of 9 months ago (which can be found here): http://www.mail-archive.com/full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk/msg37173.html Symantec have released "Internet Security Threat Report: Volume XV: April 2010". My posting from last year was based on the previous