Re: [Full-Disclosure] (IE/SCOB) Switching Software Because of Bugs: Some Facts About Software and Security bugs

2004-07-04 Thread Georgi Guninski
drew, one should be carefull when quoting product usage numbers. our SED (Social Engineering Department) advised us you may get a monetary analogy. our NAND (Numeric Analyziz and Numerology Department) was kind enough to do unbreakable research and came with the following: [1] http://www.faculty

Re: [Full-Disclosure] (IE/SCOB) Switching Software Because of Bugs: Some Facts About Software and Security bugs

2004-07-02 Thread Ron DuFresne
On Thu, 1 Jul 2004, Barry Fitzgerald wrote: > Matthew Murphy wrote: > > >Actually, you're both wrong, in my opinion. :-) > > > >Overall market share has some to do with the success of worm propagation, > >but the real problem is market share diversity at all levels. IIS is > >plagued by worms bec

Re: [Full-Disclosure] (IE/SCOB) Switching Software Because of Bugs: Some Facts About Software and Security bugs

2004-07-01 Thread st3ng4h
On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 01:55:17PM -0700, Drew Copley wrote: > There has been a great deal of talk about people > switching to Mozilla because of this recent Internet > Explorer issue. > > This is a serious misunderstanding about security > that comes about because of people's ignorance and > bec

Re: [Full-Disclosure] (IE/SCOB) Switching Software Because of Bugs: Some Facts About Software and Security bugs

2004-07-01 Thread Matthew Murphy
"Barry Fitzgerald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Matthew Murphy wrote: > For instance, we can safely say that approx. 25% of all webservers are > GNU/Linux and the vast majority of those run Apache. Of those, > approximately 50% are the latest version of Red Hat (this is an > assumption, but I thi

Re: [Full-Disclosure] (IE/SCOB) Switching Software Because of Bugs: Some Facts About Software and Security bugs

2004-07-01 Thread Barry Fitzgerald
Matthew Murphy wrote: Actually, you're both wrong, in my opinion. :-) Overall market share has some to do with the success of worm propagation, but the real problem is market share diversity at all levels. IIS is plagued by worms because one piece of code targeting whatever version of IIS is widel

Second RE: [Full-Disclosure] (IE/SCOB) Switching Software Because of Bugs: Some Facts About Software and Security bugs

2004-07-01 Thread Drew Copley
x27; > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] (IE/SCOB) Switching Software > Because of Bugs: Some Facts About Software and Security bugs > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Georgi Guninski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, July

Re: [Full-Disclosure] (IE/SCOB) Switching Software Because of Bugs: Some Facts About Software and Security bugs

2004-07-01 Thread Matthew Murphy
> your long post seems like an advanced FUD to me. > > according to your reasoning there should be a lot of worms and exploits for > apache because of its market share. fact is ii$ is plagued by worms and > exploits though it has a small market share. Actually, you're both wrong, in my opinion. :-

RE: [Full-Disclosure] (IE/SCOB) Switching Software Because of Bugs: Some Facts About Software and Security bugs

2004-07-01 Thread Drew Copley
> -Original Message- > From: Georgi Guninski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 12:41 AM > To: Drew Copley > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] (IE/SCOB) Switching Software > Because of Bugs: Some Facts About Softw

Re: [Full-Disclosure] (IE/SCOB) Switching Software Because of Bugs: Some Facts About Software and Security bugs

2004-07-01 Thread Georgi Guninski
your long post seems like an advanced FUD to me. according to your reasoning there should be a lot of worms and exploits for apache because of its market share. fact is ii$ is plagued by worms and exploits though it has a small market share. On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 01:55:17PM -0700, Drew Copley w

RE: [Full-Disclosure] (IE/SCOB) Switching Software Because of Bugs: Some Facts About Software and Security bugs

2004-06-30 Thread Drew Copley
losure] (IE/SCOB) Switching Software > Because of Bugs: Some Facts About Software and Security bugs > > > > The mere fact that mozilla or firefox or netscape are not > core components > of the windows OS is actuallky reason enough to choose to change > browsers, despite the b

RE: [Full-Disclosure] (IE/SCOB) Switching Software Because of Bugs: Some Facts About Software and Security bugs

2004-06-30 Thread Drew Copley
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Barry Fitzgerald > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 3:07 PM > To: Drew Copley > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] (IE/SCOB) Switching Software >

RE: [Full-Disclosure] (IE/SCOB) Switching Software Because of Bugs: Some Facts About Software and Security bugs

2004-06-30 Thread Drew Copley
> -Original Message- > From: Barry Fitzgerald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 3:07 PM > To: Drew Copley > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] (IE/SCOB) Switching Software > Because of Bugs: Some Facts About Softw

RE: [Full-Disclosure] (IE/SCOB) Switching Software Because of Bugs: Some Facts About Software and Security bugs

2004-06-30 Thread Drew Copley
- > From: Ron DuFresne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 3:14 PM > To: Drew Copley > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] (IE/SCOB) Switching Software > Because of Bugs: Some Facts About Software a

Re: [Full-Disclosure] (IE/SCOB) Switching Software Because of Bugs: Some Facts About Software and Security bugs

2004-06-30 Thread Ron DuFresne
The mere fact that mozilla or firefox or netscape are not core components of the windows OS is actuallky reason enough to choose to change browsers, despite the bad hype and bug researchers with a thing against m$ and all the rest of the gunk. Thanks, Ron DuFresne ~

Re: [Full-Disclosure] (IE/SCOB) Switching Software Because of Bugs: Some Facts About Software and Security bugs

2004-06-30 Thread Barry Fitzgerald
Drew Copley wrote: Conclusion: Mozilla may be better. I think there is some strong chance of that. But only marginally. It has had bugs. It has a lot of features, which means a lot of potential for security issues. They have kept their browser more conservative then Microsoft has kept Internet Expl

[Full-Disclosure] (IE/SCOB) Switching Software Because of Bugs: Some Facts About Software and Security bugs

2004-06-30 Thread Drew Copley
There has been a great deal of talk about people switching to Mozilla because of this recent Internet Explorer issue. This is a serious misunderstanding about security that comes about because of people's ignorance and because they "believe the hype" but do not look at the details. An example: h