Ask a simple question on this list, and a thousand philosophers, all of whom
apparently believe they are more intelligent, more informed and more correct
than the OP, spout their unsolicited opinions ad nauseam, ad infinitum, as
if somewhere someone actually cared to hear and was listening inten
Randall Perry wrote:
The program in question is quite legitimate in nature and already
exists in several forms.
So does porn. Infarct one can replace `program' with `porn' above and
make the same kind of hollow point.
Mere existence and availability doesn't make it right, even if you make
the per
Bill Humphries wrote:
1) It is easily circumvented.
2) It violates the privacy of other users.
3) It can easily generate false positives.
5) It could be exploited.
6) Who decides what is a 'suspect site'?
7) Trustworthiness of the Monitoring Organization
8) Trust vs. Pervasive Surveillance
I agree
Matt Marooney wrote:
{snip}
> I'll disregard the troll comment as this
is the first time I've NEEDED to post anything to this list. I've been
reading it for years now. Thanks.
Aww then, you really have no excuse for this post Matt. It's off-topic
and the scope of your "problem" covers too much g
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Matt Marooney wrote:
| Thanks for the feedback Valdis!
|
| I've been doing some reading about custom BIOS chips that include
| security programs, so that may not be the way I want to go...
|
| I definatly want the program to behave like spyware, but not
arch 03, 2005 2:40 PM
To: full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 01:44:39PM -0500, Matt Marooney wrote:
>I am trying to write a program to help people who are addicted to
internet
>pornography.
That is very ni
Matt Marooney wrote:
I am trying to write a program to help people who are addicted to
internet pornography. This application would be tied into an online
(Ever heard of "ask-slashdot"? that would be very on-topic there ;-))
service where someone could sign up for monitoring, and download a thin
Matt Marooney wrote:
Very true, and I'm sure that I am not going to be able to keep people
from getting around it, I just want to make it really really hard.
Obviously, if the person is smart enough to boot to a different OS,
setup their internet connection on that OS, and browse, then they are
not
Luckily that is what kills a lot of these things. I mean you would have
to have. I can't see why this can't be achieved by the usual methods of
social control that keep people alcohol free at AA meetings. Certainly
most people don't do urine tests at the meeting. In this case it would
be like s
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 09:46:54 +0530, Aditya Deshmukh said:
> tell me how me people are going to use a guest accont on their own computer
> and then be able to use the computer normally ?
Actually, if the "regular user" needs more than "guest" privs to do their
*normal* stuff, the system's security
>
>I'm banking on the probability that most people don't even know what a
>BIOS is.
If your main security is through obscurity then just wait untill someone
post a way to bypass this program and removal instrctions on the net.
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>Matt Marooney
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>I want this software to help people who want help, to keep them honest,
>and unaware that their system is monitoring activity.
I still don't se
[Full-Disclosure] Bios
programming...
I am trying to
write a program to help people who are addicted to internet pornography.
This application would be tied into an online service where someone could sign
up for monitoring, and download a thin client app. The application would
run i
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Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 3:57 PM
To: Matt Marooney
Cc: full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:33:09 EST, Matt Marooney said:
The intent of the BIOS portion of the program was just to have a small
ying to
curb their own behavior". Seems like this list needs more people like
that! ;)
-- Matt
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From: Randall Perry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 4:17 PM
To: full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com
Cc: Matt Marooney
Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure]
On Mar 3, 2005, at 1:39 PM, Matt Marooney wrote:
Exactly, thank you Randall. I appreciate your feedback, I'll check
into
your suggestions further.
I like the way you put, "this is targeted at adults who are trying to
curb their own behavior". Seems like this list needs more people like
that! ;
Matt, maybe you should not be so concerned with
trying to put code into the bios; but, rather
install it to the boot sector of the hard drive.
That is copy the monitoring program to the boot sector
That will launch the "service" you are talking about
And that service can also rewrite itself
Hello,
Out of curiousity, isn't it possible/easier to monitor those stats by
viewing your firewall traffic logs?
Goodbye,
Edgardo
On Thu, 3 Mar 2005, Matt Marooney wrote:
I am trying to write a program to help people who are addicted to
internet pornography. This application would be tied into
ssage-
From: Randall Perry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 4:17 PM
To: full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com
Cc: Matt Marooney
Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...
The program in question is quite legitimate in nature and already exists
in several forms.
In
Bill Humphries wrote:
Closing the colleges and sending the youth to work on collective farms
was big in the 1960's.
Now that the communists are gone, someone has to step into their place.
S - don't give the Republicans any more bright ideas...
Regards,
Brent
--
No virus found in this outgoin
The program in question is quite legitimate in nature and already
exists in several forms.
In some instances, it sends the data to 'accountability partners'
who are your chosen peers that monitor your activity.
Think of it as AA for online porn. Online porn has become a
real problem for males age
t Marooney
Cc: full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:33:09 EST, Matt Marooney said:
> The intent of the BIOS portion of the program was just to have a small
> bit of code that checked for the existence of the main monitoring
it somehow.
>
> The main program would run from the disk, not the BIOS.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 3:19 PM
> To: Matt Marooney
> Cc: full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com
> Subject
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:33:09 EST, Matt Marooney said:
> The intent of the BIOS portion of the program was just to have a small
> bit of code that checked for the existence of the main monitoring
> program on the disk, and if it was not there, reload it somehow.
>
> The main program would run fr
Christian
Leber
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 2:40 PM
To: full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 01:44:39PM -0500, Matt Marooney wrote:
>I am trying to write a program to help people who are addicted to
internet
>pornogra
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:40:00 +0100, Christian Leber said:
> There is no reason why someone would sign up for a service that installs
> some application that is invisible and not removable and sents data to
> some "service".
That's assuming of course that the user actually signs up for the service
> Anybody know how to store a small program there?
It's easy. Use an EEPROM programmer.
On "write protected" BIOSes all you have to do is figure out which pin
is write_enable (get a pinout from the web) and figure out if that pin
goes to +5v or ground to do what you want. Jumper accordingly.
How
On Mar 3, 2005, at 11:40 AM, Christian Leber wrote:
3. I would like to figure out a way to monitor traffic for multiple
protocols (HTTP, FTP, File Sharing, Chat, etc.) . I'm wondering
if there
is a way to figure out "bad" requests on a packet level.
In the end you are either a insufficie
le
to delete (without the admin password, of course), and invisble to
operate.
Thanks for the comments!
-- Matt
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From: Paul J. Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:46 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Bios progra
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 13:44:39 EST, Matt Marooney said:
> 1. I would like the program to be "un-installable". I've heard of a
Did you mean "un-installable", as in "an inability to be installed", or
"non-uninstallable", as in "not removable"? :)
In any case, some time with Google will probably fin
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 01:44:39PM -0500, Matt Marooney wrote:
I am trying to write a program to help people who are addicted to internet
pornography...
This application would be tied into an online service where
someone could sign up for monitoring, and download a thin client app. The
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 3:19 PM
To: Matt Marooney
Cc: full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 13:44:39 EST, Matt Marooney said:
> 1. I would like the program to be "un-installable". I've heard of a
Did y
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 01:44:39PM -0500, Matt Marooney wrote:
>I am trying to write a program to help people who are addicted to internet
>pornography.
That is very nice of you.
>This application would be tied into an online service where
>someone could sign up for monitoring, an
: Gerry Eisenhaur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 2:28 PM
To: Matt Marooney
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...
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Matt,
I too am interested in un-installable apps. Do you know that name of the
application you are
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I am trying to write
a program to help people who are addicted to internet pornography. This
application would be tied into an online service where someone could sign up for
monitoring, and download a thin client app. The application would run in
the background of the person
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