Re: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...

2005-03-04 Thread devis
Matt Marooney wrote: Very true, and I'm sure that I am not going to be able to keep people from getting around it, I just want to make it really really hard. Obviously, if the person is smart enough to boot to a different OS, setup their internet connection on that OS, and browse, then they are

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...

2005-03-04 Thread Philipp Walther
Matt Marooney wrote: I am trying to write a program to help people who are addicted to internet pornography. This application would be tied into an online (Ever heard of ask-slashdot? that would be very on-topic there ;-)) service where someone could sign up for monitoring, and download a thin

RE: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...

2005-03-04 Thread David Royer
:40 PM To: full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming... On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 01:44:39PM -0500, Matt Marooney wrote: I am trying to write a program to help people who are addicted to internet pornography. That is very nice of you

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...

2005-03-04 Thread Pedro Venda
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matt Marooney wrote: | Thanks for the feedback Valdis! | | I've been doing some reading about custom BIOS chips that include | security programs, so that may not be the way I want to go... | | I definatly want the program to behave like spyware, but

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...

2005-03-04 Thread dk
Matt Marooney wrote: {snip} I'll disregard the troll comment as this is the first time I've NEEDED to post anything to this list. I've been reading it for years now. Thanks. Aww then, you really have no excuse for this post Matt. It's off-topic and the scope of your problem covers too much

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...

2005-03-04 Thread Paul Schmehl
Ask a simple question on this list, and a thousand philosophers, all of whom apparently believe they are more intelligent, more informed and more correct than the OP, spout their unsolicited opinions ad nauseam, ad infinitum, as if somewhere someone actually cared to hear and was listening

[Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...

2005-03-03 Thread Matt Marooney
Title: Message I am trying to write a program to help people who are addicted to internet pornography. This application would be tied into an online service where someone could sign up for monitoring, and download a thin client app. The application would run in the background of the

RE: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...

2005-03-03 Thread Matt Marooney
: Gerry Eisenhaur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 2:28 PM To: Matt Marooney Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming... -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matt, I too am interested in un-installable apps. Do you know that name of the application you

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...

2005-03-03 Thread Christian Leber
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 01:44:39PM -0500, Matt Marooney wrote: I am trying to write a program to help people who are addicted to internet pornography. That is very nice of you. This application would be tied into an online service where someone could sign up for monitoring, and

RE: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...

2005-03-03 Thread Matt Marooney
: Thursday, March 03, 2005 3:19 PM To: Matt Marooney Cc: full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming... On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 13:44:39 EST, Matt Marooney said: 1. I would like the program to be un-installable. I've heard of a Did you mean un-installable

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...

2005-03-03 Thread Peter Besenbruch
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 01:44:39PM -0500, Matt Marooney wrote: I am trying to write a program to help people who are addicted to internet pornography... This application would be tied into an online service where someone could sign up for monitoring, and download a thin client app. The

RE: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...

2005-03-03 Thread Matt Marooney
the admin password, of course), and invisble to operate. Thanks for the comments! -- Matt -Original Message- From: Paul J. Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming... Matt, Don't

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...

2005-03-03 Thread Bill Humphries
On Mar 3, 2005, at 11:40 AM, Christian Leber wrote: 3. I would like to figure out a way to monitor traffic for multiple protocols (HTTP, FTP, File Sharing, Chat, etc.) . I'm wondering if there is a way to figure out bad requests on a packet level. In the end you are either a

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...

2005-03-03 Thread Michael Holstein
Anybody know how to store a small program there? It's easy. Use an EEPROM programmer. On write protected BIOSes all you have to do is figure out which pin is write_enable (get a pinout from the web) and figure out if that pin goes to +5v or ground to do what you want. Jumper accordingly.

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...

2005-03-03 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:40:00 +0100, Christian Leber said: There is no reason why someone would sign up for a service that installs some application that is invisible and not removable and sents data to some service. That's assuming of course that the user actually signs up for the service.

RE: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...

2005-03-03 Thread Matt Marooney
: Thursday, March 03, 2005 2:40 PM To: full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming... On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 01:44:39PM -0500, Matt Marooney wrote: I am trying to write a program to help people who are addicted to internet pornography. That is very nice

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...

2005-03-03 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:33:09 EST, Matt Marooney said: The intent of the BIOS portion of the program was just to have a small bit of code that checked for the existence of the main monitoring program on the disk, and if it was not there, reload it somehow. The main program would run from

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...

2005-03-03 Thread Ankush Kapoor
. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 3:19 PM To: Matt Marooney Cc: full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming... On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 13:44:39 EST, Matt Marooney said: 1. I would

RE: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...

2005-03-03 Thread Matt Marooney
@lists.netsys.com Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming... On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:33:09 EST, Matt Marooney said: The intent of the BIOS portion of the program was just to have a small bit of code that checked for the existence of the main monitoring program on the disk

RE: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...

2005-03-03 Thread Randall Perry
The program in question is quite legitimate in nature and already exists in several forms. In some instances, it sends the data to 'accountability partners' who are your chosen peers that monitor your activity. Think of it as AA for online porn. Online porn has become a real problem for males age

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...

2005-03-03 Thread Brent Colflesh
Bill Humphries wrote: Closing the colleges and sending the youth to work on collective farms was big in the 1960's. Now that the communists are gone, someone has to step into their place. S - don't give the Republicans any more bright ideas... Regards, Brent -- No virus found in this

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...

2005-03-03 Thread 'FoR ReaLz' E. Balansay
Hello, Out of curiousity, isn't it possible/easier to monitor those stats by viewing your firewall traffic logs? Goodbye, Edgardo On Thu, 3 Mar 2005, Matt Marooney wrote: I am trying to write a program to help people who are addicted to internet pornography. This application would be tied into

RE: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...

2005-03-03 Thread Digitalchaos
Matt, maybe you should not be so concerned with trying to put code into the bios; but, rather install it to the boot sector of the hard drive. That is copy the monitoring program to the boot sector That will launch the service you are talking about And that service can also rewrite itself

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...

2005-03-03 Thread Bill Humphries
On Mar 3, 2005, at 1:39 PM, Matt Marooney wrote: Exactly, thank you Randall. I appreciate your feedback, I'll check into your suggestions further. I like the way you put, this is targeted at adults who are trying to curb their own behavior. Seems like this list needs more people like that! ;)

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...

2005-03-03 Thread Steve Kudlak
this list needs more people like that! ;) -- Matt -Original Message- From: Randall Perry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 4:17 PM To: full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com Cc: Matt Marooney Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming... The program in question

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...

2005-03-03 Thread Steve Kudlak
, March 03, 2005 3:57 PM To: Matt Marooney Cc: full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming... On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:33:09 EST, Matt Marooney said: The intent of the BIOS portion of the program was just to have a small bit of code that checked

RE: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...

2005-03-03 Thread Aditya Deshmukh
it look like u want to hook your girl friend's or bosses computer. better watch where u are asking question :) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt MarooneySent: Friday, March 04, 2005 12:15 AMTo: full-disclosure@lists.netsys.comSubject: [Full-Disclosure

RE: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...

2005-03-03 Thread Aditya Deshmukh
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Marooney Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 01:35 AM I want this software to help people who want help, to keep them honest, and unaware that their system is monitoring activity. I still don't see any

RE: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...

2005-03-03 Thread Aditya Deshmukh
I'm banking on the probability that most people don't even know what a BIOS is. If your main security is through obscurity then just wait untill someone post a way to bypass this program and removal instrctions on the net.

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming...

2005-03-03 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 09:46:54 +0530, Aditya Deshmukh said: tell me how me people are going to use a guest accont on their own computer and then be able to use the computer normally ? Actually, if the regular user needs more than guest privs to do their *normal* stuff, the system's security