RE: [Full-Disclosure] Global HIGH Security Risk

2003-02-05 Thread Melvyn Sopacua
At 10:06 2/5/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Individual computers connecting to the Internet are the property of those using it (unless you've stolen it, but then we've tracked you down already and the police are on their way...). However, the core infrastructure could be shut down by the US Gover

RE: [Full-Disclosure] Global HIGH Security Risk

2003-02-05 Thread Jeroen Doorn
>Given that the vast majority of traffic is web based and email which rely on >the DNS system, much of the Internet would disappear quickly, even though >the routes themselves would still exist. But still, there are also rootservers in Sweden, Japan and the UK (source: http://www.root-servers.org

RE: [Full-Disclosure] Global HIGH Security Risk

2003-02-05 Thread John . Airey
> -Original Message- > From: Melvyn Sopacua [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 04 February 2003 17:39 > To: Jonathan Rickman > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] Global HIGH Security Risk > > > At 15:23 4-2-2003, you wrote: > > >

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Global HIGH Security Risk

2003-02-04 Thread Peter
On Tuesday 04 February 2003 18:39, Melvyn Sopacua wrote: > At 15:23 4-2-2003, you wrote: > >So, he is somewhat correct on either issue. If the major American carriers > >pulled > >the plug, the Internet as we know it pretty much ceases to exist. > Well, I got a knife and if I stab you, you cease t

RE: [Full-Disclosure] Global HIGH Security Risk

2003-02-04 Thread Melvyn Sopacua
At 15:23 4-2-2003, you wrote: So, he is somewhat correct on either issue. If the major American carriers pulled the plug, the Internet as we know it pretty much ceases to exist. That's the beauty of it. "The internet as we know it" is redefined on a daily basis. And that still doesn't constit

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Global HIGH Security Risk

2003-02-04 Thread David Howe
If you really want to post without traceback, learn how to use a nym and the anonymous remaillers network. This shouldn't be a hard task for anyone who can find vunerabilities. Failing that - a free Hushmail account, or use a http proxy to access a free webmail account. _

RE: [Full-Disclosure] Global HIGH Security Risk

2003-02-04 Thread Jonathan Rickman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Jeroen Doorn wrote: > >Technically the Internet belongs to the US > > WTF? Where do you get your information from? How on earth could you claim > sh*t like this? I think (hope) he's referring to the concept of the Internet, not the physical

RE: [Full-Disclosure] Global HIGH Security Risk

2003-02-04 Thread Melvyn Sopacua
At 10:05 4-2-2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Technically the Internet belongs to the US (although organisations like the National Physical Laboratory and CERN might claim an interest). After all, the A root name server is in the US and could be shut down by the US Government. Without another serve

RE: [Full-Disclosure] Global HIGH Security Risk

2003-02-04 Thread Jeroen Doorn
>Technically the Internet belongs to the US WTF? Where do you get your information from? How on earth could you claim sh*t like this? Jeroen >Technically the Internet belongs to the US (although organisations like the >National Physical Laboratory and CERN might claim an interest). After all

RE: [Full-Disclosure] Global HIGH Security Risk

2003-02-04 Thread Lance Fitz-Herbert
Hmm, Last time i checked, my computers were part of the internet, and they arnt owned by the US government nor do they even reside in the US. :) Lance. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: yossarian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Consider that the situation does not have

RE: [Full-Disclosure] Global HIGH Security Risk

2003-02-04 Thread John . Airey
> -Original Message- > From: yossarian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 03 February 2003 18:53 > To: ^Shadown^; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Global HIGH Security Risk > Consider that the situation does not have a single legal > court to f

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Global HIGH Security Risk

2003-02-04 Thread Michael Renzmann
Hi. Benjamin Keller wrote: I say you go to your local library/Internet cafe, create a hotmail/hushmail account, And mail it all to the list and lets see what happens In addition you might want to use an anonymizing service from the inet-cafe. Or Peek-A-Booty, or something thelike. Bye, M

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Global HIGH Security Risk

2003-02-03 Thread yossarian
est Volume 21, Issue 81] 00:00 | - Original Message - From: "Kendy Kutzner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "yossarian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Global HIGH Security Risk > On 2003-02-03T19:52:34,

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Global HIGH Security Risk

2003-02-03 Thread Jonathan Rickman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, ^Shadown^ wrote: > Dear Folks, > > I'm sorry if anybody didn't like the subject, but is *that* important. > While a research I've developed a technique to literaly bypass *every* >security network software and device (*every* fir

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Global HIGH Security Risk

2003-02-03 Thread yossarian
Basically you can't post any vuln without some risk attached, court rulings worldwide being unpredictable and considering the interests at stake, my best guess would be - go completely anonymus, if it doesn't interfere with any of your other interests, or wait till our workfield becomes less errati