Re: [funsec] Tweet This: I Don't Care

2009-03-24 Thread Gadi Evron
Nick FitzGerald wrote: > ...I realized another thing I really dislike about Twitter _and_ that I > suspect is a major part of its attraction for a certain (rather large) > portion of its users, and it really is about "shouting into the > darkness". I believe that a lot of Twitter's (sub-cons

Re: [funsec] Tweet This: I Don't Care

2009-03-24 Thread Nick FitzGerald
About a week ago Gadi to me to Gadi: > >> You haven't been on twitter, have you? > > > > I've never seen anything useful/interesting that I didn't get through > > other media. > > > > I _have to_ read those other sources, so why waste the extra time getting > > nothing additional at a very low sig

[funsec] 'The Analyzer' Hack Probe Widens - $10 Million Allegedly Stolen From U.S. Banks

2009-03-24 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Via Threat Level. [snip] Ehud Tenenbaum, an Israeli hacker arrested in Canada last year for allegedly stealing about $1.5 million from Canadian banks, also allegedly hacked two U.S. banks, a credit and debit card distribution company and a payment pr

Re: [funsec] Privacy group targets Google Street View UK

2009-03-24 Thread Alex Eckelberry
How ironic, for the most videod population in the world. -Original Message- From: funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org] On Behalf Of Juha-Matti Laurio Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 4:28 PM To: funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: [funsec] Privacy group targets Google S

Re: [funsec] The PCI sky *isn't* falling!

2009-03-24 Thread Anton Chuvakin
> : Sorry, but this is kinda of what I was talking about :-)  What I am > : hearing in the above is that PCI was somehow supposed to guarantee their > : un-hackability. Is that what you are implying? What about a simpler > : explanation: they were breached DESPITE PCI DSS? > > You say "PCI DSS did

Re: [funsec] Tweet This: I Don't Care

2009-03-24 Thread Remo Cornali
http://wpcomics.washingtonpost.com/client/wpc/nq/2009/03/24/ Ciao! Remo ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.

[funsec] Privacy group targets Google Street View UK

2009-03-24 Thread Juha-Matti Laurio
"Watchdog group Privacy International has filed a formal complaint with the U.K. government over the recent introduction of Google's Street View in Britain. Simon Davies, director of Privacy International, argues that Street View has caused "clear embarrassment and damage" to many residents of t

[funsec] China blocks YouTube - again

2009-03-24 Thread Juha-Matti Laurio
http://www.reuters.com/article/internetNews/idUSTRE52N1VN20090324 Juha-Matti ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.

Re: [funsec] funsec members twitter accounts

2009-03-24 Thread Tyler Reguly
http://twitter.com/treguly On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Amrit Williams wrote: > http://twitter.com/amrittsering > > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 6:15 AM, wrote: >> >> http://twitter.com/crissup >> >> -- >> John >> >> >> >> ===

Re: [funsec] security theater is useful, stop abusing it [was: PCI]

2009-03-24 Thread nick hatch
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 6:46 AM, Gadi Evron wrote: > Security theater does in fact have uses. Secrecy can be a strong line of > defense and psychological barriers are in fact barriers, as we are > dealing with human beings. So, security by obscurity is an extremely > useful tool, the problem is w

Re: [funsec] security theater is useful, stop abusing it [was: PCI]

2009-03-24 Thread Imri Goldberg
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Benjamin April wrote: > A layer of security is nothing more than a > time-delay device. Some layers provide more delay > than others. Very often the so called "security > theatre" provides a delay equal to the time spent > studying it for weaknesses. > > Security t

Re: [funsec] security theater is useful, stop abusing it [was: PCI]

2009-03-24 Thread Benjamin April
A layer of security is nothing more than a time-delay device. Some layers provide more delay than others. Very often the so called "security theatre" provides a delay equal to the time spent studying it for weaknesses. Security theatre and security by obscurity suffer from the same weakness in tha

Re: [funsec] Suggesting a new defcon event: Hackers ParliamentaryDebate or HPD

2009-03-24 Thread Blanchard_Michael
I like it! Especially with the Alcohol involved :-) But everyone already knows that Coke is much better than Pepsi, so that one's a moot point ;-) Mike B -Original Message- From: funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org] On Behalf Of Gadi Evron Sent: Sunday, Ma

Re: [funsec] funsec members twitter accounts

2009-03-24 Thread Amrit Williams
http://twitter.com/amrittsering On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 6:15 AM, wrote: > http://twitter.com/crissup > > -- > John > > > > > This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the > individual or organization to

Re: [funsec] funsec members twitter accounts

2009-03-24 Thread Imri Goldberg
http://twitter.com/lorgandon -- Imri Goldberg -- www.algorithm.co.il/blogs/ -- -- insert signature here ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/

[funsec] security theater is useful, stop abusing it [was: PCI]

2009-03-24 Thread Gadi Evron
Jon Kibler wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Anton Chuvakin wrote: >>> same answer: "I don't participate in security theater." I think this >> First, I am amazed how people so intelligent can hold opinions so >> shortsighted :-) > > I unquestionably stand by my assertio

[funsec] why is certification useful anyway? [was: PCI]

2009-03-24 Thread Gadi Evron
nick hatch wrote: > Until the details are known in full, it seems a bit premature to debate > the effectiveness of PCI and use Heartland as evidence one way or > another. Even if the transactions were encrypted on the wire, a lack of > internal controls could still allow a theoretical insider to

Re: [funsec] funsec members twitter accounts

2009-03-24 Thread John.Crissup
http://twitter.com/crissup -- John This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or organization to whom it is addressed. Any opinions or advice presented are solely those of the author an

Re: [funsec] The PCI sky *isn't* falling!

2009-03-24 Thread Gadi Evron
Drsolly wrote: > > And the "Perfect Antivirus", when used correctly, will detect all viruses > past present and future, and give no false alarms. Plus it's free. I know what an anti virus is. It's a mostly reactive software that sells based on marketing and support. > I know the PCI DSS very w

Re: [funsec] The PCI sky *isn't* falling!

2009-03-24 Thread Justin Scott
> Safer as in having a lot of eggs in one attractive basket > is safer than lots of less-safe but not-worth-hacking > baskets? Safer as in "big companies don't get hacked"? The problem is that the smaller sites are worth hacking these days. The larger companies are doing a better job, and the hac

Re: [funsec] Mr. Wiggles on 'Twitter'

2009-03-24 Thread Gadi Evron
security curmudgeon wrote: > > http://mrwiggleslovesyou.com/rehab506.html > > Awesome. heheheheh Anyway, if you guys keep insisting on sending in URLs against twitter, here's a response. Our side acknolwedges things are not perfect, and may become better, but they are pretty sweet. http://ww

Re: [funsec] The PCI sky *isn't* falling!

2009-03-24 Thread Jon Kibler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kaegler, Mike wrote: > > Alone, PCI can't do a lot; one needs a competent and interested security > professional. Likewise, said professional can't do a lot without a business > mandate (which PCI provides). > > PCI is not a magic bullet, but it isn'

Re: [funsec] The PCI sky *isn't* falling!

2009-03-24 Thread Jon Kibler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anton Chuvakin wrote: >> same answer: "I don't participate in security theater." I think this > > First, I am amazed how people so intelligent can hold opinions so > shortsighted :-) I unquestionably stand by my assertion that PCI DSS is pure securit

[funsec] Mr. Wiggles on 'Twitter'

2009-03-24 Thread security curmudgeon
http://mrwiggleslovesyou.com/rehab506.html Awesome. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.

Re: [funsec] The PCI sky *isn't* falling!

2009-03-24 Thread David Harley
> To a point, it seems all certification processes can be > defeated by creative responses or other activity one could > loosely call "cheating". I don't think it's a matter of "cheating" PCI and various things that start with ISO: most of them have an element of "tell us what you do and we'll

Re: [funsec] The PCI sky *isn't* falling!

2009-03-24 Thread Drsolly
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, security curmudgeon wrote: > > > On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Anton Chuvakin wrote: > > : > : I'd say that PCI DSS did more to information security than *anything > : > : else* since Windows added automated updates. > : > : > Care to back that up in any way? I think the customers

Re: [funsec] The PCI sky *isn't* falling!

2009-03-24 Thread Drsolly
On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Justin D. Scott wrote: > > I think such motion from total ignorance to doing > > "a piss-poor job" of security represents a huge > > progress for such, mostly small, organizations. > > There also many small companies that took one look at PCI and just gave up > entirely and o

Re: [funsec] The PCI sky *isn't* falling!

2009-03-24 Thread Kaegler, Mike
On 3/23/09 3:15 PM, "Jon Kibler" wrote: > I am frequently asked why I refuse to do PCI audits. I always have the > same answer: "I don't participate in security theater." To a point, it seems all certification processes can be defeated by creative responses or other activity one could loosely cal