Re: [funsec] dumb. Comcast pop-ups

2009-10-11 Thread Jim Murray
Michael Collins wrote: > Heh, > > One of the fun exercises I like to spring on people is to play out the > following scenario: assume you've got an embedded system of some kind > being controlled by a windows 3.1 box. Let's say it's doing something > like wrapping candybars or stamping plaq

Re: [funsec] dumb. Comcast pop-ups

2009-10-11 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 05:59:40PM -0500, toralv_di...@mcafee.com wrote: > And prevent their customers from some activity on the internet that > may be extremely urgent and important? As much as I would prefer such > an approach personally, I'm afraid this is not a realistic option in > the real wo

Re: [funsec] dumb. Comcast pop-ups

2009-10-11 Thread Jon Kibler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Murray wrote: >> The problem was given a more concrete example by a colleague who >> pointed out that most medical hardware running on windows boxes is not >> only certified for windows only, but specific *patchlevels*, and that >> consequen

Re: [funsec] dumb. Comcast pop-ups

2009-10-11 Thread Benjamin April
Peter Evans wrote: > On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 09:08:11PM -0400, Larry Seltzer wrote: >> How about a voluntary system? If an ISP offered a "clean" network with >> rules like this would there be any value to opting in to it? > > Expecting the average user to get off his fat arse and opt-in is >

Re: [funsec] Scammers exploit public lists of hijacked Hotmail passwords

2009-10-11 Thread Juha-Matti Laurio
Researcher refutes Microsoft's account of hijacked Hotmail passwords: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/100709-researcher-refutes-microsofts-account-of.html "Mary Landesman, a senior security researcher at San Francisco-based ScanSafe, said it's more likely that the massive lists -- which inc

Re: [funsec] dumb. Comcast pop-ups

2009-10-11 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 09:29:13AM -0700, Alex Lanstein wrote: > I like that Comcast is at least trying /something/ to protect their users. This is a very feeble attempt. Consider: they are going to send these pop-ups to systems that they have reason to believe -- based on externally-visible evid

[funsec] Twitter suspends security researcher's account as a threat

2009-10-11 Thread Juha-Matti Laurio
"Twitter erroneously suspended, and subsequently restored, a prominent researcherÂ’s account two months after he tweeted a security warning intended to inform his audience about an imminent threat. Aside from poor security handling, this situation offers a case study example of immature customer

Re: [funsec] dumb. Comcast pop-ups

2009-10-11 Thread Michael Collins
Jon already pretty much covered the response to this - remote administration, viewing, and to be frank, we plug in internet connectivity to *everything* these days. That said, I also think that we forget there are three parties in security - attacker, defender and user. From the user's pers

Re: [funsec] dumb. Comcast pop-ups

2009-10-11 Thread Paul Vixie
r...@gsp.org (Rich Kulawiec) writes: > ... > This should be burned into the brain of everyone working in security: > > If someone else can run arbitrary code on your computer, > it's not YOUR computer any more. > > And allowing computers known-owned by the enemy to operate on > one's

Re: [funsec] Twitter suspends security researcher's account as a threat

2009-10-11 Thread The Security Community
What security professional in their right mind would use Twitter? I'd say it was a good call on Twitter's part. On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Juha-Matti Laurio wrote: > "Twitter erroneously suspended, and subsequently restored, a prominent > researcher’s account two months after he tweeted >

Re: [funsec] funsec Digest, Vol 50, Issue 16

2009-10-11 Thread RandallM
> -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:50:21 -0400 > From: Rich Kulawiec > Subject: Re: [funsec] dumb. Comcast pop-ups > To: funsec@linuxbox.org > Message-ID: <20091011135021.ga20...@gsp.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Sat, Oct 10, 2009

[funsec] Get lost in Vancouver with Google Streetview

2009-10-11 Thread Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah
Google Streetview has come to Canada! All kinds of people are rejoicing: all kinds of privacy types are screaming. My wife sings at a Remembrance Day service every year at a seniors residence in the West End. This year we are meeting someone there, and I figured that Google Maps, and Streetvi

Re: [funsec] Twitter suspends security researcher's account as a threat

2009-10-11 Thread security curmudgeon
: On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 11:05:09AM -0400, The Security Community wrote: : > What security professional in their right mind would use Twitter? : : Twitter is for twits. I fail to see the attraction of what amounts : to stream of conciousness net.diarrhoea. I guess my random thoughts

Re: [funsec] Twitter suspends security researcher's account as a threat

2009-10-11 Thread Nick FitzGerald
The Security Community wrote: > What security professional in their right mind would use Twitter? While I kinda agree with the sentiment here -- Twitter itself is clearly a security and privacy disaster on steroids... > I'd say it was a good call on Twitter's part. ...but that's silly. Twitte

Re: [funsec] dumb. Comcast pop-ups

2009-10-11 Thread Larry Seltzer
>> If they are not... I think it's fair to assume that a very high percentage of these users will have at least one malicious system behind the cable modem. We're pretty good at recognizing that now, aren't we? >> If they are, then what POSSIBLE reason is there to believe that the users will actu

[funsec] Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups)

2009-10-11 Thread Larry Seltzer
Many of us have agreed that, for competitive reasons, it's not possible for ISPs to lock infected users out of a network. I'd like to suggest a crazy idea for your reaction: A law governing ISPs that sets rules for these situations. It sets rules for how they can and should contact users about susp

Re: [funsec] dumb. Comcast pop-ups

2009-10-11 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:26:33 -, Paul Vixie said: > malware has penetrated not just the skin, but the bones and DNA of > the internet economy. it's everywhere and it's not going away ever. > there will always be something infected, and in a race to the bottom > there will always be competitors