I puzzled at Jeffery's message for a while before I realized _this_
thread wasn't about the same thing as this other thread I was
following about the guy who recently had all of his gear taken because
he operated a Tor exit.
http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.org.operators.nanog/108040
On Thu, Nov 2
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 7:36 PM, phester wrote:
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>> http://cfaadefensefund.com/
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> I have my doubts about Weev, but the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act
> (CFAA) is Gestapo Legislation that is subjectively enforced and should
> go away. Oth
On 11/29/2012 04:36 PM, phester wrote:
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> http://cfaadefensefund.com/
+1
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On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 7:36 PM, phester wrote:
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> http://cfaadefensefund.com/
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I have my doubts about Weev, but the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act
(CFAA) is Gestapo Legislation that is subjectively enforced and should
go away. Other victims of the CFAA include Wiseguys Tickets, who gamed
TicketMa
http://cfaadefensefund.com/
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But isn't security whatever the auditors tell us to do?
*ducks*
On 11/29/12 1:24 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 2:10 PM, John Bambenek
wrote:
I'm convinced that certifications have given us an army of IT workers that
have letters but are utterly unqualified. And they get e
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 2:10 PM, John Bambenek
wrote:
> I'm convinced that certifications have given us an army of IT workers that
> have letters but are utterly unqualified. And they get employed by the
> thousands.
>
> Exhibit A: Web developers.
>
> On the upside, unlimited job security for tho
I'm convinced that certifications have given us an army of IT workers
that have letters but are utterly unqualified. And they get employed by
the thousands.
Exhibit A: Web developers.
On the upside, unlimited job security for those of us who have to
respond to incidents involving their lousy
FWIW, I was trolling my employer Ernst & Young about a decade ago about
certifications so I took the CCNA one day after cramming a book. Prior
to the exam, I had never laid eyes on a cisco device, much less
interacted with one.
Passed the test.
Anyone need a network engineer? :)
On 11/29/12
I agree with you, to certain point. :-)
But I've also witnessed way too many instances of people with "Cisco
certifications" who had no idea how to build networks. Sure, they
could configure a router but...
- ferg
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Gary Buhrmaster
wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 29,
Yes, I actually built real networks. :-)
- ferg
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Blanchard, Michael (InfoSec)
wrote:
> Don't Cisco certs require you to perform a function on real equipment? Or
> did they remove that piece :-(
>
> The tester would "break" a network in such a complex manner
Don't Cisco certs require you to perform a function on real equipment? Or did
they remove that piece :-(
The tester would "break" a network in such a complex manner that the testee
would have to dig deep into their practical knowledge to make it work again...
within the allotted time period.
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:31 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
> Certifications are, in practice, crap.
>
Amen.
Short story: As an early Cisco engineer, I (and may other very
talented people) helped develop the original CCIE program. I wince now
when I hear people reference Cisco "certifications" becaus
Oh, I agree, it's only useful to get past the bean counters. I haven't
had a job that paid travel to take classes, so I haven't had the benefit
of part 2 on that point (I would like a job some day that did offer that
benefit though, but I'm more resigned to doing my own business just to
get ou
The only think certs are good for is getting you into the door... they're
essential for getting your resume looked at, and I think we all agree on that
part, so they're needed just for that piece...
Yah, I have a fewI also have over 20 year experience to back them up...
But, I was basical
Oh, some people try to write a good test and we can have a nice
discussion about psychometrics and the lot, but at the end, we haven't
even figured out K-12 testing. It's a hard problem with no solution.
In our field, we need to be able to DO things, not be able to recite
knowledge. And testi
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 09:24:29PM -0600, John Bambenek wrote:
> That said, I've been helping write/audit SANS certifications for
> awhile. I'm simply ineligible to take them (for what should be
> obvious reasons). I got real tired of submitting resumes and being
> told I need a GSEC/GCIH/et al.
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