On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:59:12PM -0600, John Bambenek wrote:
> FWIW, I was trolling my employer Ernst & Young about a decade ago
> about certifications so I took the CCNA one day after cramming a
> book. Prior to the exam, I had never laid eyes on a cisco device,
> much less interacted with one.
But isn't security whatever the auditors tell us to do?
*ducks*
On 11/29/12 1:24 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 2:10 PM, John Bambenek
wrote:
I'm convinced that certifications have given us an army of IT workers that
have letters but are utterly unqualified. And they get e
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 2:10 PM, John Bambenek
wrote:
> I'm convinced that certifications have given us an army of IT workers that
> have letters but are utterly unqualified. And they get employed by the
> thousands.
>
> Exhibit A: Web developers.
>
> On the upside, unlimited job security for tho
On
Behalf Of John Bambenek
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:59 PM
To: funsec@linuxbox.org
Subject: Re: [funsec] "Skills gap"?
FWIW, I was trolling my employer Ernst & Young about a decade ago about
certifications so I took the CCNA one day after cramming a book. Prior to the
exa
2012 1:21 PM
To: Rich Kulawiec
Cc: funsec@linuxbox.org
Subject: Re: [funsec] "Skills gap"?
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:31 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
Certifications are, in practice, crap.
Amen.
Short story: As an early Cisco engineer, I (and may other very
talented people) helped develop th
I agree with you, to certain point. :-)
But I've also witnessed way too many instances of people with "Cisco
certifications" who had no idea how to build networks. Sure, they
could configure a router but...
- ferg
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Gary Buhrmaster
wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 29,
; Behalf Of Paul Ferguson
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:21 PM
> To: Rich Kulawiec
> Cc: funsec@linuxbox.org
> Subject: Re: [funsec] "Skills gap"?
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:31 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
>
>> Certifications are, in practice, crap.
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From: funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org] On
Behalf Of Paul Ferguson
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:21 PM
To: Rich Kulawiec
Cc: funsec@linuxbox.org
Subject: Re: [funsec] "Skills gap"?
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:31 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:31 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
> Certifications are, in practice, crap.
>
Amen.
Short story: As an early Cisco engineer, I (and may other very
talented people) helped develop the original CCIE program. I wince now
when I hear people reference Cisco "certifications" becaus
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From: funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org] On
Behalf Of John Bambenek
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:39 AM
To: funsec@linuxbox.org
Subject: Re: [funsec] "Skills gap"?
Oh, some people try to write a good test an
..@linuxbox.org] On
Behalf Of John Bambenek
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:39 AM
To: funsec@linuxbox.org
Subject: Re: [funsec] "Skills gap"?
Oh, some people try to write a good test and we can have a nice
discussion about psychometrics and the lot, but at the end, we haven&#x
Oh, some people try to write a good test and we can have a nice
discussion about psychometrics and the lot, but at the end, we haven't
even figured out K-12 testing. It's a hard problem with no solution.
In our field, we need to be able to DO things, not be able to recite
knowledge. And testi
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 09:24:29PM -0600, John Bambenek wrote:
> That said, I've been helping write/audit SANS certifications for
> awhile. I'm simply ineligible to take them (for what should be
> obvious reasons). I got real tired of submitting resumes and being
> told I need a GSEC/GCIH/et al.
Define "skills". There are plenty of jobs out there, but I live in
Central IL and don't want to relocate. That pretty much takes most all
of them off the table for me.
That said, I've been helping write/audit SANS certifications for
awhile. I'm simply ineligible to take them (for what shoul
It's a huge problem. There has been debate in various spaces on how to
handle any of this, and so far none have really caught on. (Thankfully?)
When we posted a new cyber position some time ago, it was
amazing the people that applied. We were looking for a junior level
person, yet had plenty of
I know a lot of people who recently joined the workforce in IT and infosec,
and I know few enough who are happy or satisfied with their pay; part of
the problem is the way paragon status has been conferred upon those with a
trivial set of skills, a good break with the press, and sense of
opportunis
B.S.
There *are* significant "wage increases, at least in Infosec.
- ferg
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon &
Hannah wrote:
> I see a lot of companies complaining that they can't get skilled/trained
> infosec
> people.
>
> I see a lot of experienced infosec
I see a lot of companies complaining that they can't get skilled/trained
infosec
people.
I see a lot of experienced infosec people out of work.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/25/magazine/skills-dont-pay-the-bills.html
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