Re: [fw-general] Smarty?

2008-07-18 Thread Benjamin.Gonzales
Smarty is PHP4, and does not take advantage of OOP and PHP5. Here is a very interesting link http://hasin.wordpress.com/2008/01/05/once-upon-a-time-there-was-smarty/ -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Smarty--tp18537490p18541018.html Sent from the Zend Framework ma

[fw-general] Re: [zf-contributors] Re: [fw-general] 1.6RC1 Release Notes

2008-07-18 Thread Matthew Weier O'Phinney
-- Thomas Weidner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote (on Saturday, 19 July 2008, 01:26 AM +0200): > And I wondered why my new component Zend_File_Transfer is not mentioned. > Then I found it described as "bug-fix" ?? Ooof... the intention as Wil told me was that we'd leave it off the changelog until RC2, w

Re: [fw-general] Smarty?

2008-07-18 Thread AmirBehzad Eslami
What's Smarty provides over the following lines? index.php === *$tpl = array( // .. some data to be displayed in template ); include_once "template.phtml"*; template.phtml === * * As you see, I separated programmers' and designers' lands without Smarty. What actually S

Re: [fw-general] Smarty?

2008-07-18 Thread Karol Grecki
I'm not sure what is so hard to understand here. Smarty was created with specific goals in mind, mainly making cooperation between developers and designers easier. It creates extra presentation layer so designers don't have to deal with files containing PHP code. But this is exactly what CSS is fo

Re: [fw-general] 1.6RC1 Release Notes

2008-07-18 Thread Thomas Weidner
And I wondered why my new component Zend_File_Transfer is not mentioned. Then I found it described as "bug-fix" ?? I didn't know that a new component is a bug :-) But hey... that's life *lol* Greetings Thomas, I18N Team Leader and Author of Zend_File_Transfer - Original Message - From:

Re: [fw-general] checkbox does not work anymore?

2008-07-18 Thread Matthew Weier O'Phinney
-- Bart McLeod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote (on Saturday, 19 July 2008, 12:12 AM +0200): > Matthew Weier O'Phinney schreef: > > -- Bart McLeod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > (on Friday, 18 July 2008, 11:51 PM +0200): > > > my checkboxes remain checked, whatever I do... They worked fine

Re: [fw-general] Smarty?

2008-07-18 Thread Jani Hartikainen
I think what behzad said about the blogs applies. I don't think something can be claimed to be obsolete just because it has a different markup than what you're used to, or what you prefer. Also, some languages can't be embedded into HTML like you can do with PHP, so in those you have to use a

Re: [fw-general] Smarty?

2008-07-18 Thread Micah Gersten
You can get the same effect by storing config setting in a database. Thank you, Micah Gersten onShore Networks Internal Developer http://www.onshore.com AmirBehzad Eslami wrote: > A Template Engine, such as Smarty, is useful when you're about to > share your > templates among people. For exampl

Re: [fw-general] Smarty?

2008-07-18 Thread Karol Grecki
PHP MVC frameworks gained popularity fairly recently, it's irrelevant when this pattern was "invented". Also developers and designers got better in separating content from presentation. It didn't happen overnight, those technologies and tools matured gradually, so did people skills. Nowadays web a

Re: [fw-general] Smarty?

2008-07-18 Thread AmirBehzad Eslami
A Template Engine, such as Smarty, is useful when you're about to share your templates among people. For example, suppose that you're creating a new Blog-Provider system, where users can edit their blog templates. You can't allow these people to insert php codes directly into their templates. How c

Re: [fw-general] Smarty?

2008-07-18 Thread Jani Hartikainen
I'm having a hard time seeing how a template engine was made obsolete by a pattern that existed even before it, or by a stylesheet language.. On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:56:42 +0300, Karol Grecki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Smarty was made obsolete by MVC and proper use of CSS. You can cache pages

Re: [fw-general] checkbox does not work anymore?

2008-07-18 Thread Bart McLeod
Matthew Weier O'Phinney schreef: -- Bart McLeod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote (on Friday, 18 July 2008, 11:51 PM +0200): my checkboxes remain checked, whatever I do... They worked fine, but no longer... Any help appreciated. I use '0' and '1' as values. Months ago they worked like magic:

Re: [fw-general] checkbox does not work anymore?

2008-07-18 Thread Matthew Weier O'Phinney
-- Bart McLeod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote (on Friday, 18 July 2008, 11:51 PM +0200): > my checkboxes remain checked, whatever I do... They worked fine, but no > longer... > > Any help appreciated. I use '0' and '1' as values. Months ago they > worked like magic: without any explicit setting. We

Re: [fw-general] 1.6RC1 Release Notes

2008-07-18 Thread Jurriën Stutterheim
Maybe we should move Paginator, ReCaptcha, Text/Figlet and File Transfer over to the New Features list, seeing as they're all new components :) On Jul 18, 2008, at 23:34 , Wil Sinclair wrote: Hi all, this would normally go to the contributors list, but I'm not sure if everyone is subscribe

Re: [fw-general] Smarty?

2008-07-18 Thread Karol Grecki
Smarty was made obsolete by MVC and proper use of CSS. You can cache pages using Zend_Cache. There no point using Smarty anymore. Some people have legacy projects and still need to use it but I'd say it has no future in modern web development. Karol Benjamin.Gonzales wrote: > > A curiosity. >

[fw-general] checkbox does not work anymore?

2008-07-18 Thread Bart McLeod
my checkboxes remain checked, whatever I do... They worked fine, but no longer... Any help appreciated. I use '0' and '1' as values. Months ago they worked like magic: without any explicit setting. Weeks ago I had to explicitly set them, now they remain set no matter what I do to them. I fee

[fw-general] 1.6 RC1 Schedule

2008-07-18 Thread Wil Sinclair
Hi all, we're getting very close to the first release candidate for 1.6. By now, all contributors should have committed everything they plan to get in to 1.6RC1. Alex will build a sanity check release and mail the URL's to these lists on Saturday. We plan to make the RC1 archive available via the w

[fw-general] 1.6RC1 Release Notes

2008-07-18 Thread Wil Sinclair
Hi all, this would normally go to the contributors list, but I'm not sure if everyone is subscribed yet. For now I'll just put together my best netiquette and cross post. :) Please let me know of any errors or omissions ASAP. ,Wil Welcome to Zend Framework 1.6 Release Candidate 1! This release

[fw-general] Smarty?

2008-07-18 Thread Benjamin.Gonzales
A curiosity. Zend_Layout is becoming better and does not need any extra template. Smarty (created by PHP), does no longer has a future? How can we say that this discontinued? I can say Benjamín -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Smarty--tp18537490p18537490.html Sent from

Re: [fw-general] Zend_Deprecation is ready for community review.

2008-07-18 Thread Matthew Weier O'Phinney
-- Lars Strojny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote (on Friday, 18 July 2008, 09:58 PM +0200): > Hi Matthew, > > Am Freitag, den 18.07.2008, 15:02 -0400 schrieb Matthew Weier O'Phinney: > > However, this is an engine-level error level -- you cannot trigger it > > from userland code. Additionally, we need to

RE: [fw-general] zf-contributor list has been created!

2008-07-18 Thread Wil Sinclair
Oops! Sorry all! ,Wil > -Original Message- > From: Stanislav Malyshev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 12:52 PM > To: Carlton Gibson > Cc: Wil Sinclair; fw-general@lists.zend.com > Subject: Re: [fw-general] zf-contributor list has been created! > > Hi! > > >> Howd

Re: [fw-general] Zend_Deprecation is ready for community review.

2008-07-18 Thread Lars Strojny
Hi Matthew, Am Freitag, den 18.07.2008, 15:02 -0400 schrieb Matthew Weier O'Phinney: > However, this is an engine-level error level -- you cannot trigger it > from userland code. Additionally, we need to consider how we mark > deprecation _before_ 5.3. Aye, you are right. Just spoke, didn't test

Re: [fw-general] zf-contributor list has been created!

2008-07-18 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
Hi! Howdy all, the zf-contributor list has been created. Please send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to subscribe. The correct address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I verified that it works. -- Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Software Architect [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.zend.com/ (408)253-8829 MSN: [EMAI

Re: [fw-general] Zend_Deprecation is ready for community review.

2008-07-18 Thread Carlton Gibson
On 18 Jul 2008, at 20:41, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: having a big, nasty warning in their logs or display will get their attention much better than notes in the API docs. :) This is true, even for those of us who do read the docs :)

Re: [fw-general] Zend_Deprecation is ready for community review.

2008-07-18 Thread Matthew Weier O'Phinney
-- till <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote (on Friday, 18 July 2008, 03:13 PM -0400): > On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Matthew Weier O'Phinney > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- Lars Strojny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > > (on Friday, 18 July 2008, 03:11 PM +0200): > >> Hi Tobias, hi Bill, > >> > >> Am Don

Re: [fw-general] Zend_Deprecation is ready for community review.

2008-07-18 Thread till
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Matthew Weier O'Phinney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -- Lars Strojny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > (on Friday, 18 July 2008, 03:11 PM +0200): >> Hi Tobias, hi Bill, >> >> Am Donnerstag, den 17.07.2008, 10:42 -0700 schrieb Bill Karwin: >> > Does this really need a new

Re: [fw-general] Zend_Deprecation is ready for community review.

2008-07-18 Thread Matthew Weier O'Phinney
-- Lars Strojny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote (on Friday, 18 July 2008, 03:11 PM +0200): > Hi Tobias, hi Bill, > > Am Donnerstag, den 17.07.2008, 10:42 -0700 schrieb Bill Karwin: > > Does this really need a new component? What's wrong with > > trigger_error(E_USER_NOTICE)? This seems a lot simpler a

[fw-general] Jira Issue Tracker problem? (again).

2008-07-18 Thread Codiac
Hi all, Recently someone posted a problem with the Issue Tracker and I seem to have the same problem. I can't create a new issue. I'm logged in (or it seems so), but the link is gone. Cleared my cache and cookies, logged in again, but nothing helped. Anyone else experiencing this problem? Rega

RE: [fw-general] Zend_Deprecation is ready for community review.

2008-07-18 Thread Wil Sinclair
I've discussed a user-level deprecation notice for 5.3 with Stas; we'll see whether that makes it in or not. I'll keep the list updated with any news on this front. Also, currently we don't have a timeframe for the release of 2.0. It may very well make sense to have a dependency on 5.3 at that poin

Re: [fw-general] Using Zend_Rest to move image files

2008-07-18 Thread till
Hey there, I am CC-ing the list again. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Ron Dyck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 2:49 AM, till <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 7:48 PM, Ron Dyck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > I'd like to move image files from a Zend_R

RE: [fw-general] zf-contributor list has been created!

2008-07-18 Thread Wil Sinclair
We're looking in to this now. I'll let you know when you should try again. Thanks for the patience! ,Wil > -Original Message- > From: Martin Martinov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 4:58 AM > To: Carlton Gibson > Cc: Wil Sinclair; fw-general@lists.zend.com > Subje

Re: [fw-general] Dojo library Layout

2008-07-18 Thread Todd Wolaver
public/js would be a js folder under your server's document root (html in your case). You can in reality put the dojo source anywhere under the document root (pulbic folder) and set the location in the dojo view helper. i.e. $view->dojo()->setLocalPath('/js/dojo/dojo.js') ->ad

Re: [fw-general] Dojo library Layout

2008-07-18 Thread Christian Sanchez
2008/7/18 Matthew Weier O'Phinney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > -- Christian Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > (on Friday, 18 July 2008, 10:12 AM -0500): > > I was wondering if there is a best practice for the layout considering > the > > usage of the recent Zend_Dojo... I know it must be under the htm

Re: [fw-general] Dojo library Layout

2008-07-18 Thread Todd Wolaver
I currently use a layout similar to your second option and I keep my Dojo modules in their own directory outside of the dojo source. - application - bootstrap - htdocs - images - scripts - dojo - dijit - dojo - dojox

RE: [fw-general] zf-contributor list has been created!

2008-07-18 Thread Pádraic Brady
Don't forget to put it on Nabble when up and running ;) notmessenger wrote: > > Ditto on two requests sent with no response(s) received. > > > Jeremy Brown > Senior Web Developer > Spear One > 972.661.6038 > www.spearone.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Carlton Gibson [mail

Re: [fw-general] Zend_Deprecation is ready for community review.

2008-07-18 Thread Bill Karwin
Lars Strojny-2 wrote: > > In PHP 5.3 we will even have E_DEPRECATED as an error level. > I saw that, but I had the understanding that user-space code is supposed to trigger only the "USER" error levels, E_USER_WARN, E_USER_NOTICE, and E_USER_ERROR. I assume the others are reserved for use by

Re: [fw-general] Dojo library Layout

2008-07-18 Thread Matthew Weier O'Phinney
-- Christian Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote (on Friday, 18 July 2008, 10:12 AM -0500): > I was wondering if there is a best practice for the layout considering the > usage of the recent Zend_Dojo... I know it must be under the html folder, but > how do you recommend it should be implemented? >

[fw-general] Dojo library Layout

2008-07-18 Thread Christian Sanchez
I was wondering if there is a best practice for the layout considering the usage of the recent Zend_Dojo... I know it must be under the html folder, but how do you recommend it should be implemented? >application >html >images >scripts >js >dojo >styles >library Or maybe? >application >html >ima

RE: [fw-general] zf-contributor list has been created!

2008-07-18 Thread Jeremy Brown
Ditto on two requests sent with no response(s) received. Jeremy Brown Senior Web Developer Spear One 972.661.6038 www.spearone.com -Original Message- From: Carlton Gibson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 6:14 AM To: Wil Sinclair Cc: fw-general@lists.zend.com Sub

Re: [fw-general] Zend_Deprecation is ready for community review.

2008-07-18 Thread Lars Strojny
Hi Tobias, hi Bill, Am Donnerstag, den 17.07.2008, 10:42 -0700 schrieb Bill Karwin: > Does this really need a new component? What's wrong with > trigger_error(E_USER_NOTICE)? This seems a lot simpler and more > concise. In PHP 5.3 we will even have E_DEPRECATED as an error level. cu, Lars si

Fwd: [fw-general] zf-contributor list has been created!

2008-07-18 Thread Robin Skoglund
I too have sent two subscription requests without getting any reply. (sorry for sending this directly to you only first, Martin) Robin On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Martin Martinov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/7/18 Carlton Gibson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Just checking, should we be exp

Re: [fw-general] zf-contributor list has been created!

2008-07-18 Thread Martin Martinov
2008/7/18 Carlton Gibson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Just checking, should we be expecting the usual confirmation emails for > those sent to the address below? > > (I've sent two with no reply...) > > Thanks > Carlton > > > On 17 Jul 2008, at 21:03, Wil Sinclair wrote: > >> Howdy all, the zf-contributor

Re: [fw-general] Re: Re[fw-general] cent Component Promotions

2008-07-18 Thread Matthew Weier O'Phinney
-- Juan E. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote (on Thursday, 17 July 2008, 11:06 PM -0700): > I have been trying to use the Dojo_Form component with the docs examples and > I was having some problems to get it working so finally I downloaded the > demo I found in the issue tracker > http://framework.zend.com

Re: [fw-general] zf-contributor list has been created!

2008-07-18 Thread Carlton Gibson
Just checking, should we be expecting the usual confirmation emails for those sent to the address below? (I've sent two with no reply...) Thanks Carlton On 17 Jul 2008, at 21:03, Wil Sinclair wrote: Howdy all, the zf-contributor list has been created. Please send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECT

[fw-general] Zend_Date and timezones

2008-07-18 Thread Brian Caspe
Hi (Thomas and) Everyone, I'm trying to get my head around the timezone thing with zend date. I'm in Prague, so I set the: protected function setUp() { date_default_timezone_set('Europe/Prague'); } then I do a test with zend_date: public function testZendDateReadTime() {