Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]

2006-02-10 Thread Michael Cangelosi
-Books [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Webster Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:58 PM To: G-Books Subject: Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules] On Feb 7, 2006, at 5:57 AM, Michael Cangelosi wrote: Hmm. I worked on the project that put SPSS together

Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]

2006-02-10 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Feb 10, 2006, at 10:29 AM, Michael Cangelosi wrote: You've lived an awesome life man, I'm envious! Is there any copy of SPSS around in the open-source for Mac? SPSS is a commercial product http://www.spss.com There's R http://www.r-project.org/, and here's a bunch of OSS stuff

Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]

2006-02-07 Thread Michael Cangelosi
Hmm. I worked on the project that put SPSS together. Cards. Stacks of cards. Awesome! It's amazing that this list has the talented minds that put together such monolithically programs as that beast. I doubt that we would have the forecasting abilities we have today without those pains you

Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]

2006-02-07 Thread Peter Webster
On Feb 7, 2006, at 5:57 AM, Michael Cangelosi wrote: Hmm. I worked on the project that put SPSS together. Cards. Stacks of cards. Awesome! It's amazing that this list has the talented minds that put together such monolithically programs as that beast. I doubt that we would have the

Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]

2006-02-06 Thread darm0k
At 10:32 AM -0500 02/03/2006, Kurt Cypher wrote: yes, there are lazy programmers out there I miss the days of hauling three racks of cards up and down two flights of stairs, from my desk to the machine room and back, each time I had a run to do. It kept us codespinners in good shape! Of

Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]

2006-02-06 Thread darm0k
At 12:25 AM -0500 02/03/2006, phoenix wrote: Lazy programmers and feature creep. Having worked for a software development firm, I can tell you these are the two biggest reasons we have such Big Fat Hairy programs out there today. I have to disagree. It's not laziness - it's incompetence.

Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]

2006-02-06 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Feb 6, 2006, at 10:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 12:25 AM -0500 02/03/2006, phoenix wrote: Lazy programmers and feature creep. Having worked for a software development firm, I can tell you these are the two biggest reasons we have such Big Fat Hairy programs out there today. I

Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]

2006-02-06 Thread darm0k
At 6:04 AM +1100 02/07/2006, Geoffrey Peters wrote: These days, I'm so anti-commandline, I delete Terminal.app from all my OSX installs. Ouch. There are so many iface problems with Aqua and Finder, Teminal is an essential app IMO. //You used a bubble sort for what?// ... and mention

Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]

2006-02-06 Thread Geoffrey Peters
Stardate 060206.17:19 -0500. A subspace message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] reads: These days, I'm so anti-commandline, I delete Terminal.app from all my OSX installs. Ouch. There are so many iface problems with Aqua and Finder, Teminal is an essential app IMO. Depends on what you do. OSX

Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]

2006-02-06 Thread Peter Webster
Hmm. I worked on the project that put SPSS together. Cards. Stacks of cards. Hated keying those cards; probably two bad ones for every one that came out right. Big IBM 360/67 in a building the size of gymnasium. One day, I loaded a stack in, went into the snack bar, put in change for a

Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]

2006-02-06 Thread Howard Katz
We still use SPSS here at the college I work at part-time, Peter--had it on Apple II floppy, and then migrated to the IBM versions. Your legacy lives on. :) Later.Howard -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com

Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]

2006-02-06 Thread Peter Webster
I have a friend at Portland State, and she used it for a class. Almost dropped her teeth when I told her I'd worked on the original. Ugh: scattergraphs! On Feb 6, 2006, at 4:50 PM, Howard Katz wrote: We still use SPSS here at the college I work at part-time, Peter--had it on Apple II

Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]

2006-02-03 Thread Kurt Cypher
On 2/3/06, phoenix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lazy programmers and feature creep. Having worked for a software development firm, I can tell you these are the two biggest reasons we have such Big Fat Hairy programs out there today. In a previous life as a programmer, any bloat in the apps we

Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]

2006-02-03 Thread Peter Apockotos
On Feb 3, 2006, at 10:32 AM, Kurt Cypher wrote: My point is that yes, there are lazy programmers out there (I've worked with some of them), but unfortunately, a lot of times the programmers are forced to take shortcuts that cause bloat, merely because they have no choice. Someone much higher

Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]

2006-02-03 Thread Kurt Cypher
On 2/3/06, Peter Apockotos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without violating any of my NDA's. The testing phase is also rushed too quickly. Peter Apockotos Rushed and lacking resources to do more comprehensive testing. Kurt -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog

Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]

2006-02-03 Thread Peter Apockotos
On Feb 3, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Kurt Cypher wrote: On 2/3/06, Peter Apockotos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without violating any of my NDA's. The testing phase is also rushed too quickly. Peter Apockotos Rushed and lacking resources to do more comprehensive testing. Kurt I think rushing is

Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]

2006-02-03 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 2/3/06 10:46 AM, Peter Apockotos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without violating any of my NDA's. The testing phase is also rushed too quickly. The testing phase - you mean that period after the application has been given to the customer, right? evil grin I look back on my days as a programmer

[OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]

2006-02-02 Thread Laurent Daudelin
on 02/02/06 23:33, Michael A. Howard at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Apockotos wrote: No I remember those days and I am only thirty. Now gopher was a pain. Archie and Gopher - great tools in their day but thankfully those days are long gone. I almost remember setting up uucp to get my

Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]

2006-02-02 Thread Peter Apockotos
On Feb 2, 2006, at 11:40 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote: For those that are a little nostalgic of these old times, I just found out an unbelievable fun to use application for OS X. It's called GLTerminal. GLTerminal emulates a 1970¹s terminal monitor, complete with flaws in brightness, warped

Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]

2006-02-02 Thread Caleb Cupples
On Thursday 02 February 2006 22:50, Peter Apockotos wrote: Oh I am not that nostalgic of those days. They can stay in the past. But you would think the web would have grown a lot more since then. But everything is really the same. Well, I'll agree there. Add in the fact that we use word

Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]

2006-02-02 Thread Peter Apockotos
On Feb 2, 2006, at 11:56 PM, Caleb Cupples wrote: On Thursday 02 February 2006 22:50, Peter Apockotos wrote: Oh I am not that nostalgic of those days. They can stay in the past. But you would think the web would have grown a lot more since then. But everything is really the same. Well,

Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]

2006-02-02 Thread Caleb Cupples
On Thursday 02 February 2006 23:00, Peter Apockotos wrote: The size of programs and the amount of memory and processing power that is needed to run them has really gotten out of hand. You would think it would be the reverse. I could do 90% of what I do now with my Lombard running OS 9.2.2 with

Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]

2006-02-02 Thread phoenix
Quoth Caleb Cupples : The size of programs and the amount of memory and processing power that is needed to run them has really gotten out of hand. You would think it would be the reverse. I could do 90% of what I do now with my Lombard running OS 9.2.2 with 192 MB of RAM on my 190 running