Re: Toolchain Infrastructure project statement of support

2022-10-23 Thread Siddhesh Poyarekar
On 2022-10-23 13:09, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: [...] To be specific, gcc steering committee and glibc FSF stewards have announced the decision for their projects [...] I may be missing something. All I've seen so far were some of the leaders of some of the projects being joint signatories to a

Re: Toolchain Infrastructure project statement of support

2022-10-23 Thread Siddhesh Poyarekar
On 2022-10-23 17:59, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 05:17:40PM -0400, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: On 2022-10-23 16:57, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 02:25:29PM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote: Re: https://sourceware.org/pipermail/overseers/2022q4/018981.htm

gcc-13-20221023 is now available

2022-10-23 Thread GCC Administrator via Gcc
Snapshot gcc-13-20221023 is now available on https://gcc.gnu.org/pub/gcc/snapshots/13-20221023/ and on various mirrors, see http://gcc.gnu.org/mirrors.html for details. This snapshot has been generated from the GCC 13 git branch with the following options: git://gcc.gnu.org/git/gcc.git branch

Re: Toolchain Infrastructure project statement of support

2022-10-23 Thread Christopher Faylor via Gcc
On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 11:01:34AM -0600, Jeff Law wrote: >On 10/23/22 10:07, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: >>>If you're trying to suggest that overseers, contrary to our repeated >>>public statements, wish to block all migration, that is untrue and you >>>will need to retract this. >> >>Here's a more

Re: Toolchain Infrastructure project statement of support

2022-10-23 Thread Christopher Faylor via Gcc
vv On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 06:19:33PM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >It doesn't smell good, however, that Sourceware has been prevented from >presenting its own >expansion plans and proposals at the

Re: Toolchain Infrastructure project statement of support

2022-10-23 Thread Christopher Faylor via Gcc
On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 05:17:40PM -0400, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: >On 2022-10-23 16:57, Christopher Faylor wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 02:25:29PM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote: >> > Re: https://sourceware.org/pipermail/overseers/2022q4/018981.html >> > >> > On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 12:43:

Re: Toolchain Infrastructure project statement of support

2022-10-23 Thread Alexandre Oliva via Gcc
On Oct 12, 2022, "Carlos O'Donell via Overseers" wrote: > The GNU Toolchain project leadership Is GNU Toolchain the name of a project? This term has usually meant a set of packages that are part of the GNU Project. Each package has its own set of maintainers appointed by GNU leadership, each

Re: Toolchain Infrastructure project statement of support

2022-10-23 Thread Siddhesh Poyarekar
On 2022-10-23 16:57, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 02:25:29PM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote: Re: https://sourceware.org/pipermail/overseers/2022q4/018981.html On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 12:43:09PM -0400, Carlos O'Donell wrote: The GNU Toolchain project leadership supports th

Re: Toolchain Infrastructure project statement of support

2022-10-23 Thread Christopher Faylor via Gcc
On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 02:25:29PM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote: >Re: https://sourceware.org/pipermail/overseers/2022q4/018981.html > >On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 12:43:09PM -0400, Carlos O'Donell wrote: >>The GNU Toolchain project leadership supports the proposal[1] to move the >>services for the G

Re: Toolchain Infrastructure project statement of support

2022-10-23 Thread Konstantin Ryabitsev via Gcc
On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 12:17:36PM -0400, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: > > Let's consider some "established security and administration practices" > > > > curl -v http://vger.kernel.org | head These are all very fair observations, with one important caveat -- vger.kernel.org is the last remaining pi

Re: Toolchain Infrastructure project statement of support

2022-10-23 Thread Jeff Law via Gcc
On 10/23/22 11:09, Frank Ch. Eigler via Libc-alpha wrote: Hi - [...] To be specific, gcc steering committee and glibc FSF stewards have announced the decision for their projects [...] I may be missing something. All I've seen so far were some of the leaders of some of the projects being jo

Re: Toolchain Infrastructure project statement of support

2022-10-23 Thread Frank Ch. Eigler via Gcc
Hi - > [...] To be specific, gcc steering committee and glibc FSF stewards > have announced the decision for their projects [...] I may be missing something. All I've seen so far were some of the leaders of some of the projects being joint signatories to a letter on overseers@. As far as I'm a

Re: Toolchain Infrastructure project statement of support

2022-10-23 Thread Jeff Law via Gcc
On 10/23/22 10:07, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: If you're trying to suggest that overseers, contrary to our repeated public statements, wish to block all migration, that is untrue and you will need to retract this. Here's a more precise statement: Two of the overseers are leaders of projects h

Re: Toolchain Infrastructure project statement of support

2022-10-23 Thread Jeff Law via Gcc
On 10/23/22 09:16, Frank Ch. Eigler via Gcc wrote: Hi - [...] Given that the current sourceware admins have decided to block migration of all sourceware assets to the LF IT [...] If you're trying to say that projects have not unanimously shown interest in moving infrastructure to LF IT, jus

Re: Toolchain Infrastructure project statement of support

2022-10-23 Thread Siddhesh Poyarekar
On 2022-10-23 12:07, Siddhesh Poyarekar via Overseers wrote: sourceware, I assume that means he'd like to use sourceware as a mirror or something similar) but gdb folks have been silent so far.  Given how gdb and binutils are coupled, the gdb conversation really needs to happen at some point. 

Re: Toolchain Infrastructure project statement of support

2022-10-23 Thread Siddhesh Poyarekar
On 2022-10-23 07:33, Ian Kelling wrote: Siddhesh Poyarekar via Overseers writes: I personally do not think the current sourceware infrastructure, even with the roadmap it promises is a viable alternative to what LF IT can provide. There is a significant resource gap (e.g. established s

Re: Toolchain Infrastructure project statement of support

2022-10-23 Thread Siddhesh Poyarekar
On 2022-10-23 11:16, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: Hi - [...] Given that the current sourceware admins have decided to block migration of all sourceware assets to the LF IT [...] If you're trying to say that projects have not unanimously shown interest in moving infrastructure to LF IT, just say t

Re: Toolchain Infrastructure project statement of support

2022-10-23 Thread Ian Kelling via Gcc
Siddhesh Poyarekar via Overseers writes: > I personally do not think the current sourceware infrastructure, even > with the roadmap it promises is a viable alternative to what LF IT can > provide. There is a significant resource gap (e.g. > established security and administration practices,

Re: Toolchain Infrastructure project statement of support

2022-10-23 Thread Frank Ch. Eigler via Gcc
Hi - > [...] Given that the current sourceware admins have decided to > block migration of all sourceware assets to the LF IT [...] If you're trying to say that projects have not unanimously shown interest in moving infrastructure to LF IT, just say that. Don't blame overseers. If you're tryin

Re: clarification question

2022-10-23 Thread Paul Koning via Gcc
> On Oct 22, 2022, at 2:38 PM, Marc Glisse via Gcc wrote: > > On Sat, 22 Oct 2022, Péntek Imre via Gcc wrote: > >> https://gcc.gnu.org/backends.html >> >> by "Architecture does not have a single condition code register" do you mean >> it has none or do you mean it has multiple? > > Either.

Re: Toolchain Infrastructure project statement of support

2022-10-23 Thread Siddhesh Poyarekar
On 2022-10-23 04:59, Ian Kelling wrote: No, I don't think that was ever clear. I've just read this message, but I've been keeping up with everything public since Cauldron. All your options assume that any specific service is 100% managed by LF IT, or 100% managed by sourceware. That is a bad ass

Re: Ping (c,c++): Handling of main() function for freestanding

2022-10-23 Thread Arsen Arsenović via Gcc
On Friday, 21 October 2022 23:02:02 CEST Joseph Myers wrote: > I have no objections to the C changes. Great! Thanks for the review. I don't have push rights currently, so I must ask that someone else pushes this patch for me. Have a great day! -- Arsen Arsenović signature.asc Description: T

Re: Toolchain Infrastructure project statement of support

2022-10-23 Thread Ian Kelling via Gcc
Siddhesh Poyarekar via Overseers writes: >> what >> alternatives we have, etc. > For projects the alternatives they have are: > > 1. Migrate to LF IT infrastructure > 2. Have a presence on sourceware as well as LF IT, contingent to Red > Hat's decision on the hardware infrastructure > 3. Stay f