Re: gEDA-user: Which are the biggest looking gEDA warts?

2007-02-26 Thread Dan McMahill
Dan McMahill wrote: Andy Peters wrote: On Feb 25, 2007, at 4:53 PM, Ben Jackson wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 05:07:59PM -0600, John Griessen wrote: No back-annotation. This is VERY important to me. As part of general cleanup after finishing a layout, I renumber all of the

Re: gEDA-user: Which are the biggest looking gEDA warts?

2007-02-26 Thread Dan McMahill
Dan McMahill wrote: Dan McMahill wrote: Andy Peters wrote: On Feb 25, 2007, at 4:53 PM, Ben Jackson wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 05:07:59PM -0600, John Griessen wrote: No back-annotation. This is VERY important to me. As part of general cleanup after finishing a layout,

gEDA-user: gnetlist -gdrc2 output

2007-02-26 Thread Seb James
Hello, I'm at the stage of processing my design through gnetlist so I can track down all the errors. I'm having a little trouble with the output generated by a call like: gnetlist -v -g drc2 pedio_5i20Aconn.sch pedio_5i20Bconn.sch ... (lots more .sch files) ... -o drc_output.txt

Re: gEDA-user: gnetlist -gdrc2 output

2007-02-26 Thread John Luciani
On 2/26/07, Seb James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Checking slots... ERROR: Multislotted reference U? has no slot attribute defined. It would be very useful if the schematic on which the U? element appears was printed. The program where this should happen is get-drc2.scm. Having only programmed a

Re: gEDA-user: gnetlist -gdrc2 output

2007-02-26 Thread John Griessen
Seb James wrote: I tried that, but it seems that the component doesn't have an explicit refdes of U?. I suppose that somewhere there is a component which is missing the refdes altogether. If you search all your output files, ( -o drc_output.txt drc_stdout.txt 2drc_stderr.txt), for the same

Re: gEDA-user: DRC problem at close pads

2007-02-26 Thread DJ Delorie
http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~dvdkhlng/clearance-problem.png Could you post (or send me privately) the .pcb file? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

gEDA-user: DRC: Line with insufficient clearance inside polygon

2007-02-26 Thread David Kuehling
Hi, the DRC tells me Line with insufficient clearance inside polygon. If I do Ctrl+R on the line in question, the clearance is correctly shown as 5.91mils (actually 0.15mm). 0.15mm is also my configured DRC clearance. Might that just be a rounding error which I can ignore? regards, David --

gEDA-user: nets in symbols

2007-02-26 Thread Seb James
Hi again, I defined a new symbol, for the Mesa Electronics 7I33 daughter board. This has 104 pins, of which about half connect to ground. The start of the symbol file is appended to the end of this email, and I attached the complete symbol file. If you look at the first 15 lines or so, you'll

Re: gEDA-user: nets in symbols

2007-02-26 Thread Seb James
On Monday 26 February 2007 16:06, Seb James wrote: Hi again, I defined a new symbol, for the Mesa Electronics 7I33 daughter board. This has 104 pins, of which about half connect to ground. The start of the symbol file is appended to the end of this email, and I attached the complete symbol

Re: gEDA-user: DRC: Line with insufficient clearance inside polygon

2007-02-26 Thread David Kuehling
DJ == DJ Delorie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the DRC tells me Line with insufficient clearance inside polygon. If I do Ctrl+R on the line in question, the clearance is correctly shown as 5.91mils (actually 0.15mm). 0.15mm is also my configured DRC clearance. Look for tiny traces under the

Re: gEDA-user: DRC problem at close pads

2007-02-26 Thread David Kuehling
DJ == DJ Delorie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~dvdkhlng/clearance-problem.png Could you post (or send me privately) the .pcb file? Here is a simplified file that only contains the problematic footprint. Quite possibly this is just a problem with the footprint? After

gEDA-user: DRC: Element Z50 has 5 silk lines which are too thin

2007-02-26 Thread David Kuehling
Hi, just another strange DRC error. This is caused by the oldlib-generated footprint SMT_DIODE 15 8: Rules are minspace 5.92, minoverlap 5.91 minwidth 5.91, minsilk 7.09 min drill 1.00, min annular ring 15.75 Element Z50 has 5 silk lines which are too thin near location

Re: gEDA-user: dinotrace (Re: Which are the biggest looking gEDA warts?)

2007-02-26 Thread Stuart Brorson
About dinotrace How 'bout Stuart's big build CD? Good idea. I just added it to the ToDo list. Stuart ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: dinotrace (Re: Which are the biggest looking gEDA warts?)

2007-02-26 Thread Werner Hoch
Hi Dan and all, On Monday 26 February 2007 17:20, Stephen Williams wrote: Is it wrapped up into any Linux packages? Can you convince Werner to include it in his set of tools that he packages for SuSE? How 'bout Stuart's big build CD? Really, in the Linux world, dinotrace seems to be a well

Re: gEDA-user: Installer suddenly dying on Mandriva 2007.0

2007-02-26 Thread joeft
Al Hooton wrote: This is on a vanilla install of Mandriva 2007.0. I have looked through the list archives, the INSTALL information and googled around, but I'm stuck. Hopefully somebody here has the answer as to why the installer just suddenly gives up near the beginning of things.

gEDA-user: new boards!

2007-02-26 Thread DJ Delorie
Just showed up today... http://www.delorie.com/house/furnace/pcb2/ First observations: pcb-pool's drills (m32c board) were off center a bit, coming close to touching the edges of the copper. Advanced Circuit's drills seem to be much more accurately aligned. I put 1 2 3 4 on each layer, it

Re: gEDA-user: new boards!

2007-02-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DJ Delorie wrote: Just showed up today... The teardrops look nice, DJ. What are the 3 long pads that appear next to some of the 20 pin and 32 pin footprints (on the top)? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org

Re: gEDA-user: new boards!

2007-02-26 Thread DJ Delorie
The teardrops look nice, DJ. Thanks! I've had traces detach from pins during rework, I'm hoping that the teardrops avoid the hard inside corners that sometimes lead to failure. Plus they're pretty :-) What are the 3 long pads that appear next to some of the 20 pin and 32 pin footprints (on

gEDA-user: Master Parts List

2007-02-26 Thread John Luciani
I am putting together a master parts list table for my component database. I am trying to determine a good format for component part numbers. Are there any industry standards for this type of information? IPC documentation? I was thinking of starting with some of the IPC-7351 component category

Re: gEDA-user: nets in symbols

2007-02-26 Thread Marc Moreau
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:06:57 + Seb James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Problem 2 -- I am placing this symbol in a design which is split into two regions, with opto-isolators connecting them. This means I have two ground nets, and I also have two 5V nets. Instead of using the

Re: gEDA-user: nets in symbols

2007-02-26 Thread Marc Moreau
Gah! Attaching .sym's help. -Lares ATMega640-1280-2560_ADC.sym Description: Binary data ATMega640-1280-2560_IO1.sym Description: Binary data ATMega640-1280-2560_IO2.sym Description: Binary data ATMega640-1280-2560_pwr.sym Description: Binary data pgp0b6ysaTX1h.pgp Description: PGP

Re: gEDA-user: DRC problem at close pads

2007-02-26 Thread Dan McMahill
David Kuehling wrote: DJ == DJ Delorie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~dvdkhlng/clearance-problem.png Could you post (or send me privately) the .pcb file? Here is a simplified file that only contains the problematic footprint. Quite possibly this is just a

Re: gEDA-user: DRC: Element Z50 has 5 silk lines which are too thin

2007-02-26 Thread Dan McMahill
David Kuehling wrote: Hi, just another strange DRC error. This is caused by the oldlib-generated footprint SMT_DIODE 15 8: Rules are minspace 5.92, minoverlap 5.91 minwidth 5.91, minsilk 7.09 min drill 1.00, min annular ring 15.75 Element Z50 has 5 silk lines which are too thin near

Re: gEDA-user: nets in symbols

2007-02-26 Thread John Griessen
Marc Moreau wrote: On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:06:57 + Seb James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Instead of using the nets GND and +5V, I have gnd_left and gnd_right and +5v_left and +5v_right. Can I redefine the nets for those pins after I placed the symbol in my schematic? Looking at your

gEDA-user: PCB question

2007-02-26 Thread Stephen Williams
OK, I'm an idiot. How do I create a local (as in local to my design directory) library of PCB footprints? All the documentation I see suggests that it will automatically search in the packages directory in the current workig directory. No?! -- Steve WilliamsThe woods are lovely,

Re: gEDA-user: PCB question

2007-02-26 Thread DJ Delorie
OK, I'm an idiot. How do I create a local (as in local to my design directory) library of PCB footprints? All the documentation I see suggests that it will automatically search in the packages directory in the current workig directory. No?! Note that a local directory *overrides* the global

Re: gEDA-user: PCB question

2007-02-26 Thread Ben Jackson
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 07:59:02PM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: Note that a local directory *overrides* the global one, as pcb only supports one library at a time (er, one each of m4 and newlib). Agh can I add that as a wart? I don't remember this happening to me, but it might explain why

Re: gEDA-user: PCB question

2007-02-26 Thread DJ Delorie
Agh can I add that as a wart? Yup :-) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

gEDA-user: Re: PCB question

2007-02-26 Thread Stephen Williams
DJ Delorie wrote: OK, I'm an idiot. How do I create a local (as in local to my design directory) library of PCB footprints? All the documentation I see suggests that it will automatically search in the packages directory in the current workig directory. No?! Note that a local directory

Re: gEDA-user: Re: PCB question

2007-02-26 Thread DJ Delorie
I'm puzzled by this response. Under File-Preferences in the Library tab there is an entry box for Element directories that asks for a colon separated list of directories. Where does this list get stored? These are the times I like it when I'm wrong. Both gtk and lesstif allow

Re: gEDA-user: PCB question

2007-02-26 Thread Dan McMahill
DJ Delorie wrote: OK, I'm an idiot. How do I create a local (as in local to my design directory) library of PCB footprints? All the documentation I see suggests that it will automatically search in the packages directory in the current workig directory. No?! When you say it will automatically

Re: gEDA-user: DRC problem at close pads

2007-02-26 Thread Dan McMahill
Dan McMahill wrote: David Kuehling wrote: DJ == DJ Delorie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~dvdkhlng/clearance-problem.png Could you post (or send me privately) the .pcb file? Here is a simplified file that only contains the problematic footprint. Quite

gEDA-user: Re: PCB question

2007-02-26 Thread Stephen Williams
DJ Delorie wrote: I'm puzzled by this response. Under File-Preferences in the Library tab there is an entry box for Element directories that asks for a colon separated list of directories. Where does this list get stored? These are the times I like it when I'm wrong. Both gtk and lesstif

Re: gEDA-user: How to maybe get your favorite misfeatures fixed (was: Re: PCB question)

2007-02-26 Thread Ales Hvezda
[snip] OK, wart alert. I go into preferences and I expect to see the [snip] I'll file bug reports for these. Thank you Steve. Not speaking for the PCB developers, but I'm sure they appreciate the bug reports; I know I do. Just a reminder that there are really only three ways to get

Re: gEDA-user: How to maybe get your favorite misfeatures fixed (was: Re: PCB question)

2007-02-26 Thread DJ Delorie
Thank you Steve. Not speaking for the PCB developers, but I'm sure they appreciate the bug reports; I know I do. We appreciate all the feedback, with the understanding that we can only get to a tiny percentage of it at a time, as there's only a few of us, and we only do this as a hobby.

gEDA-user: Re: How to maybe get your favorite misfeatures fixed (was: Re: PCB question)

2007-02-26 Thread Stephen Williams
DJ Delorie wrote: Thank you Steve. Not speaking for the PCB developers, but I'm sure they appreciate the bug reports; I know I do. We appreciate all the feedback, with the understanding that we can only get to a tiny percentage of it at a time, as there's only a few of us, and we only do

Re: gEDA-user: Re: How to maybe get your favorite misfeatures fixed (was: Re: PCB question)

2007-02-26 Thread DJ Delorie
I'll tell you what. I'll pay you to fix your bugs if you pay me to fix mine. Deal? :-) Fixing my own bugs is usually at the top of *my* todo list. But my comment... We appreciate all the feedback, ... applies to more than just bug fixes. We also appreciate feedback about design choices,

Re: gEDA-user: Re: How to maybe get your favorite misfeatures fixed (was: Re: PCB question)

2007-02-26 Thread Dan McMahill
Stephen Williams wrote: DJ Delorie wrote: Thank you Steve. Not speaking for the PCB developers, but I'm sure they appreciate the bug reports; I know I do. We appreciate all the feedback, with the understanding that we can only get to a tiny percentage of it at a time, as there's only a few