Re: gEDA-user: Why use gEDA?

2007-03-07 Thread Steve Meier
Going back to the original question. I think geda and pcb and the simulation tools offer an opportunity to physics, electrical, computer, and software engineering students, in that by having the code, they can study and develop the simulation algorithms. It is all well and good to be able to run

Re: gEDA-user: Why use gEDA? [OT]

2007-03-07 Thread David Fang
I would go even farther on this ...Even if stuck with windoze .. sometimes you still need to work with text files. The unix hack digs in and solves the problem. The windows user says I can't and they call in someone else to solve the problem. I've explained this to people

Re: gEDA-user: Why use gEDA? [OT]

2007-03-07 Thread Dave McGuire
On Mar 7, 2007, at 3:17 AM, David Fang wrote: There is hope in opening the eyes of windows users, you just have to win them over gradually with little demonstrations. Demonstrate to your audience solving simple problems in UNIX one at a time. Emphasize using the right tools for the right

Re: gEDA-user: Why use gEDA?

2007-03-07 Thread Peter Baxendale
Sorry to start yet another Windows/Other OS war - it wasn't my intention. And don't take me for a Windows advocate. I agree with most of the points made by various people here. I've been arguing strongly here for diversity in operating systems, both for educational and security reasons, for some

Re: gEDA-user: thermal vias in pcb

2007-03-07 Thread Peter Baxendale
On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 22:02 -0800, Dave N6NZ wrote: What is the easiest way to create thermal vias? Not a via with a thermal relief -- I can do that :) .. but a via with no thermal relief punched into polygons on both sides of the board that ends up getting filled with solder to help create

Re: gEDA-user: nets in symbols

2007-03-07 Thread Seb James
On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 18:58 -0500, John Luciani wrote: On 3/6/07, Marc Moreau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OKay... After some poking around, I found this... I have been able to verify, but IIRC, we used to be able to have U1a, U1b etc for different slots within the same device. Trying

Re: gEDA-user: thermal vias in pcb

2007-03-07 Thread John Griessen
So, anyway, should I specify some kind of pin with clearance smaller than the pad? How can I keep pcb's DRC from whining? I'm sure the answer is simple but I'm not sure how to approach it. TIA, dave One way I can think of is the way a connector with many redundant connections to the

gEDA-user: pictures of symbols

2007-03-07 Thread Peter Baxendale
Is there an easy command line way to generate an image (png or whatever) from a gschem symbol file? I'd like to catalogue my symbols for other users and a little picture would be nice. Also, the same question for pcb footprints. -- Peter Baxendale [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: gEDA-user: pictures of symbols

2007-03-07 Thread DJ Delorie
Is there an easy command line way to generate an image (png or whatever) from a gschem symbol file? I'd like to catalogue my symbols for other users and a little picture would be nice. I've also asked for a command line print this schematic option, and Ales is working on it (or at least, it's

Re: gEDA-user: thermal vias in pcb

2007-03-07 Thread joe tarantino
On 3/7/07, Peter Baxendale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 22:02 -0800, Dave N6NZ wrote: What is the easiest way to create thermal vias? Not a via with a thermal relief -- I can do that :) .. but a via with no thermal relief punched into polygons on both sides of the board

Re: gEDA-user: thermal vias in pcb

2007-03-07 Thread Dave N6NZ
joe tarantino wrote: On 3/7/07, *Peter Baxendale* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 22:02 -0800, Dave N6NZ wrote: What is the easiest way to create thermal vias? Not a via with a thermal relief -- I can do that :) .. but a via with no

Re: gEDA-user: thermal vias in pcb

2007-03-07 Thread Peter Baxendale
Depends on how new your version of PCB is. Peter's suggestion is appropriate for recent releases since this feature was added not too long ago. I'm running 20060822. If Dave is using an older version, then my suggestion is appropriate. Joe T Sorry. Hard to keep track of what

Re: gEDA-user: thermal vias in pcb

2007-03-07 Thread Darrell Harmon
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 03:04:54PM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: Sorry. Hard to keep track of what came in when. I've found this feature really useful so I rather took it for granted. We also had a big gap in shapshots (which people now treat as releases), so a lot of new stuff came in with

Re: gEDA-user: Why use gEDA?

2007-03-07 Thread al davis
On Wednesday 07 March 2007 05:49, Peter Baxendale wrote: Maybe if they see how good open source software can be it might open their minds to other possibilities. Exactly. They need to see the weaknesses in free/open-source as personal opportunities, and the weaknesses in commercial software

Re: gEDA-user: PCB non-feature... work-around?

2007-03-07 Thread DJ Delorie
My problem is that I have gnd/pwr planes that cover up traces and would just like to make those planes invisible easily at times. You want thin draw polygons then. You'll need a CVS version, and the lesstif GUI, until Dan adds it to the Gtk menus. Isn't this possibly a little dangerous?

Re: gEDA-user: thermal vias in pcb

2007-03-07 Thread DJ Delorie
I downloaded the latest snapshot (20070208), installed it and opened my spectrum analyzer RF board. PCB was extremely slow, but I was able lesstif or gtk? It would be interesting to try the cvs lesstif's thindraw polygons and see if the polygon code is the cause of the slowdown - thermals

Re: gEDA-user: thermal vias in pcb

2007-03-07 Thread Ben Jackson
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 07:49:59PM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: I downloaded the latest snapshot (20070208), installed it and opened my spectrum analyzer RF board. PCB was extremely slow, but I was able lesstif or gtk? This is the same board I reported slowness with before. I was using

Re: gEDA-user: PCB non-feature... work-around?

2007-03-07 Thread Dan McMahill
DJ Delorie wrote: My problem is that I have gnd/pwr planes that cover up traces and would just like to make those planes invisible easily at times. You want thin draw polygons then. You'll need a CVS version, and the lesstif GUI, until Dan adds it to the Gtk menus. Just as a note I've been

Re: gEDA-user: thermal vias in pcb

2007-03-07 Thread DJ Delorie
Is your new thindraw code in? I rebuilt cvs but was getting unknown function errors when I hit |. Yup. Should be in the settings menu. Do you have a local pcb-menu.res? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org

gEDA-user: gch2pcb problem

2007-03-07 Thread Doug Glidden
Hey, I'm having a problem with the gsch2pcb utility. In trying to convert my schematic (http://mrperson.org/mortimer/schematic.tar.gz), I have found that the m4 process seems to get stuck somewhere along the way. It simply consumes more and more memory until it's finally killed by the

Re: gEDA-user: thermal vias in pcb

2007-03-07 Thread Dan McMahill
DJ Delorie wrote: Sorry. Hard to keep track of what came in when. I've found this feature really useful so I rather took it for granted. We also had a big gap in shapshots (which people now treat as releases), so a lot of new stuff came in with the last one. Still, there are features that

Re: gEDA-user: PCB Element for a Molex 71661-2068?

2007-03-07 Thread Ben Jackson
On Sat, Feb 24, 2007 at 08:31:42PM -0500, John Luciani wrote: On 2/23/07, Ben Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need a PCB element for a Molex 71661-2068: http://www.molex.com/product/micro/71661r.html I've placed the Molex 71661 series connectors on my website at

Re: gEDA-user: gch2pcb problem

2007-03-07 Thread Ben Jackson
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 08:54:17PM -0600, Doug Glidden wrote: I'm having a problem with the gsch2pcb utility. In trying to convert my schematic (http://mrperson.org/mortimer/schematic.tar.gz), I have found that the m4 process seems to get stuck somewhere along the way. It's almost

Re: gEDA-user: gch2pcb problem

2007-03-07 Thread John Luciani
On 3/7/07, Doug Glidden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I'm having a problem with the gsch2pcb utility. In trying to convert my schematic (http://mrperson.org/mortimer/schematic.tar.gz), I have found that the m4 process seems to get stuck somewhere along the way. It simply consumes more and

Re: gEDA-user: thermal vias in pcb

2007-03-07 Thread DJ Delorie
Thindraw does speed up sbc.pcb to essentially lag-free. Thindraw, or thindrawpoly? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: PCB Element for a Molex 71661-2068?

2007-03-07 Thread John Luciani
On 3/7/07, Ben Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Feb 24, 2007 at 08:31:42PM -0500, John Luciani wrote: On 2/23/07, Ben Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need a PCB element for a Molex 71661-2068: http://www.molex.com/product/micro/71661r.html I've placed the Molex 71661 series

Re: gEDA-user: PCB Element for a Molex 71661-2068?

2007-03-07 Thread Dan McMahill
Ben Jackson wrote: On Sat, Feb 24, 2007 at 08:31:42PM -0500, John Luciani wrote: On 2/23/07, Ben Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need a PCB element for a Molex 71661-2068: http://www.molex.com/product/micro/71661r.html I've placed the Molex 71661 series connectors on my website at

Re: gEDA-user: gch2pcb problem

2007-03-07 Thread Dan McMahill
Ben Jackson wrote: On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 08:54:17PM -0600, Doug Glidden wrote: I'm having a problem with the gsch2pcb utility. In trying to convert my schematic (http://mrperson.org/mortimer/schematic.tar.gz), I have found that the m4 process seems to get stuck somewhere along the way.

Re: gEDA-user: thermal vias in pcb

2007-03-07 Thread Ben Jackson
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 10:36:29PM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: Thindraw does speed up sbc.pcb to essentially lag-free. Thindraw, or thindrawpoly? Thindrawpoly is acceptable (I note thermals are thin-drawn) and Thindraw is even faster, basically instant. Startup time is several seconds. --

Re: gEDA-user: thermal vias in pcb

2007-03-07 Thread DJ Delorie
Thindrawpoly is acceptable (I note thermals are thin-drawn) and Thindraw is even faster, basically instant. Probably the clipper then. Startup time is several seconds. Again, the clipper. It seems like it has to compute all the slices at least once at startup.

Re: gEDA-user: generate within verilog

2007-03-07 Thread ST de Feber
Larry, Are you sure it is icarus or the construct itself ? Have you tried it with e.q modelsim ? grtz SImon - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: geda-user@moria.seul.org Sent: Thursday, 8 March, 2007 1:06:10 AM Subject: gEDA-user: generate within verilog

Re: gEDA-user: generate within verilog

2007-03-07 Thread ST de Feber
Tried it with Quartus. Seems to be fine. Errors i get are related to missing add1 module grtz Simon - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: geda-user@moria.seul.org Sent: Thursday, 8 March, 2007 1:06:10 AM Subject: gEDA-user: generate within verilog Friends

gEDA-user: Several PCB versions on 1 system

2007-03-07 Thread ST de Feber
I am still working with an older version of PCB. Is it possible to install and run another one besides it ? grtz ST ___ What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your email personality.

Re: gEDA-user: generate within verilog

2007-03-07 Thread ldoolitt
SImon - On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 06:07:54AM +, ST de Feber wrote: Are you sure it is icarus or the construct itself ? Have you tried it with e.q modelsim ? Well, that's what I hoped someone else on the list could tell me. I don't have access to or experience with modelsim. Steve Williams