gEDA-user: is gEDA a good choice for designers?

2007-07-03 Thread Duncan Drennan
I decided to give gEDA a go as my design tool for a project (I've previously used PCAD and ORCAD), but now that I'm about to put pen to paper I'm questioning whether using gEDA is a good long term solution. I'm an electronic engineer and currently contract out my skills, so the solution needs to

Re: gEDA-user: is gEDA a good choice for designers?

2007-07-03 Thread Steve Meier
Duncan, I use a heavily modified (and at times buggy but getting better) version of geda and I have built a couple of very complex boards but it isn't easy. We have also built a number of more strieght forward boards and geda/pcb seemed very much up to the job. Geda, gschem and gnetlist more

Re: gEDA-user: is gEDA a good choice for designers?

2007-07-03 Thread Duncan Drennan
Thanks Steve (something was wrong with my list settings, so I didn't receive the reply - got it from the archives). If those are the only three serious limitations, then gEDA would seem suitable for me. My main concern has been going ahead and bumping my head (which will just slow everything

Re: gEDA-user: is gEDA a good choice for designers?

2007-07-03 Thread John Doty
On Jul 3, 2007, at 1:52 AM, Duncan Drennan wrote: I decided to give gEDA a go as my design tool for a project (I've previously used PCAD and ORCAD), but now that I'm about to put pen to paper I'm questioning whether using gEDA is a good long term solution. I'm an electronic engineer and

Re: gEDA-user: is gEDA a good choice for designers?

2007-07-03 Thread Ales Hvezda
If those are the only three serious limitations, then gEDA would seem suitable for me. My main concern has been going ahead and bumping my You will probably also have draw your own symbols as people have been complaining about the dreadful state of the shipped library. -Ales

Re: gEDA-user: is gEDA a good choice for designers?

2007-07-03 Thread John Luciani
On 7/3/07, Ales Hvezda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If those are the only three serious limitations, then gEDA would seem suitable for me. My main concern has been going ahead and bumping my You will probably also have draw your own symbols as people have been complaining about the dreadful

Re: gEDA-user: is gEDA a good choice for designers?

2007-07-03 Thread Duncan Drennan
You will probably also have draw your own symbols as people have been complaining about the dreadful state of the shipped library. Drawing symbols is no big issue (to me at least). There are always new components and typically I've had to draw them in the past anyway. I chose gEDA as the

Re: gEDA-user: is gEDA a good choice for designers?

2007-07-03 Thread Steve Meier
That is fair. A lot of the component companies (altera, analog etc) provide patterns and footprints for the main commercial tools. However making a symbol isn't that hard (unless its a 1020 pin fpga) . Steve Meier Ales Hvezda wrote: If those are the only three serious limitations, then gEDA

Re: gEDA-user: is gEDA a good choice for designers?

2007-07-03 Thread Dan McMahill
Steve Meier wrote: 3) Do you need back anotation? If you answer yes to any of these then geda/pcb isn't there yet and may never be. If you would like to discuss your project requirements either here or more privately don't hesitate to ask. depends a bit on the flow. Using gschem +

Re: gEDA-user: is gEDA a good choice for designers?

2007-07-03 Thread John Doty
On Jul 3, 2007, at 7:08 AM, John Luciani wrote: On 7/3/07, Ales Hvezda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If those are the only three serious limitations, then gEDA would seem suitable for me. My main concern has been going ahead and bumping my You will probably also have draw your own symbols as

Re: gEDA-user: is gEDA a good choice for designers?

2007-07-03 Thread Larry Doolittle
Duncan - On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 09:52:00AM +0200, Duncan Drennan wrote: I decided to give gEDA a go as my design tool for a project (I've previously used PCAD and ORCAD), but now that I'm about to put pen to paper I'm questioning whether using gEDA is a good long term solution. [chop] So

Re: gEDA-user: is gEDA a good choice for designers?

2007-07-03 Thread Dan McMahill
Dan McMahill wrote: Steve Meier wrote: 3) Do you need back anotation? If you answer yes to any of these then geda/pcb isn't there yet and may never be. If you would like to discuss your project requirements either here or more privately don't hesitate to ask. depends a bit on the flow.

gEDA-user: Wishfull thinking, one more...

2007-07-03 Thread anne Vanhoest
Hello, As a tread of wishes has started I thought I'd add mine in the list. But I couldn't do so without first expressing all my gratitude to all those who contribute to the development of gEDA. So, well, thanks guys! As far as the wish goes: would anyone but me like to have oval pin

Re: gEDA-user: Wishfull thinking, one more...

2007-07-03 Thread Steve Meier
Anne, I think you can accomplish this now by using a combination of a pin and a surface mount pad. Steve Meier On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 16:06 +0100, anne Vanhoest wrote: Hello, As a tread of wishes has started I thought I'd add mine in the list. But I couldn't do so without first expressing

Re: gEDA-user: is gEDA a good choice for designers?

2007-07-03 Thread John Griessen
John Doty wrote: On Jul 3, 2007, at 7:08 AM, John Luciani wrote: You do need to verify symbols and footprints against your process requirements The good thing about the library is that even for symbols that aren't boxes, you rarely need to draw one from scratch. There's usually

Re: gEDA-user: Wishfull thinking, one more...

2007-07-03 Thread John Griessen
anne Vanhoest wrote: as I am developing my PCBs with very basic tools I cannot make super-fine tracks and must keep a decent copper to copper distance. In the past I use to draw oblong pins, narrow enough to allow a track between two pins of a typical IC socket. Any chances to see this option

Re: gEDA-user: is gEDA a good choice for designers?

2007-07-03 Thread DJ Delorie
Are we any closer to being able to do that? I haven't been working on it, but it shouldn't be *too* hard to reload at least the newlib library categories when you select each one. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org

Re: gEDA-user: Wishfull thinking, one more...

2007-07-03 Thread John Luciani
On 7/3/07, anne Vanhoest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, As far as the wish goes: would anyone but me like to have oval pin footprints? You can overlay a pin and a square pads with rounded corners. No oval but it may be what you want. Check out my DIP footprints at

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (5)

2007-07-03 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 19:31:20 +0100, Peter TB Brett wrote: Then the workflow would be: 1. Down symbol. If it's possible to edit the original library symbol, you have the option to; otherwise it opens the embedded version for editing. 2. Save symbol. If you're editing the embedded

Re: gEDA-user: Thoughts using gschem

2007-07-03 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:14:26 -0700, Ben Jackson wrote: That's a good idea. What I do instead now is just select the inline all components (or whatever it's called) menu option before I distribute the .sch. Hmm. I Can't find such an option (gschem 20070526). Can you point me to the right

Re: gEDA-user: is gEDA a good choice for designers?

2007-07-03 Thread Peter TB Brett
On Tuesday 03 July 2007 09:09:10 Steve Meier wrote: 2) Do you need hierarchical Buses? 3) Do you need back anotation? If you answer yes to any of these then geda/pcb isn't there yet and may never be. If you would like to discuss your project requirements either here or more privately don't

Re: gEDA-user: is gEDA a good choice for designers?

2007-07-03 Thread Peter TB Brett
On Tuesday 03 July 2007 16:28:56 John Griessen wrote: John Doty wrote: On Jul 3, 2007, at 7:08 AM, John Luciani wrote: You do need to verify symbols and footprints against your process requirements The good thing about the library is that even for symbols that aren't boxes, you rarely

Re: gEDA-user: is gEDA a good choice for designers?

2007-07-03 Thread John Griessen
Peter TB Brett wrote: On Tuesday 03 July 2007 16:28:56 John Griessen wrote: rapid update with a new library window...leaving a complicated set of pages open and ready to add to.That gives speed. Actually, this is currently broken in unstable gschem -- a restart is required to rebuild

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (4)

2007-07-03 Thread DJ Delorie
How about a circle at a junction, and an X at an unconnected net end? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (4)

2007-07-03 Thread John Griessen
DJ Delorie wrote: How about a circle at a junction, and an X at an unconnected net end? X at an unconnected net end has good intuitive meaning to me. I also like the convention of crossing wires like: | | ---o-o- | | I'd like that to be

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (4)

2007-07-03 Thread Ales Hvezda
How about a circle at a junction, and an X at an unconnected net end? Actually for a while there gschem did exactly that, however, based on user feedback (at the time) this functionality was unused and subequently removed. Right now the filled rectangle and filled circle are controlled via a

Re: gEDA-user: is gEDA a good choice for designers?

2007-07-03 Thread Steve Meier
Peter, Again please don't try to put words in my mouth. I didn't say that they may never appear! I have said that the work I am doing requires them and as such I can't use the standard geda. But in a sense this is what is wonderfull about open source and geda. The code is available to be used as

gEDA-user: Request for button icons

2007-07-03 Thread Peter TB Brett
Hi folks, I'd really appreciate it if someone would design some button icons for the component selector dialog. - The Apply button should become a Place button, with appropriate icon. - The OK button should become a Hide button, with appropriate icon. I hope someone can design some nice icons

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (4)

2007-07-03 Thread Ben Jackson
On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 02:02:42PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: How about a circle at a junction, and an X at an unconnected net end? I like that. I even made a symbol with a pin and an 'X' to put on intentionally unused pins of chips and headers. If I could just drag a short wire off the pin

Re: gEDA-user: is gEDA a good choice for designers?

2007-07-03 Thread Dave McGuire
On Jul 3, 2007, at 1:26 PM, John Griessen wrote: Actually, this is currently broken in unstable gschem -- a restart is required to rebuild the library. However, I'm going to add a Refresh button to the component library dialog Sounds fine for going onward. You an Peter C and Patrick B

Re: gEDA-user: is gEDA a good choice for designers?

2007-07-03 Thread Igor Izyumin
You will probably also have draw your own symbols as people have been complaining about the dreadful state of the shipped library. I think that's pretty standard in the commercial world. Allegro ships with a completely useless set of footprints, and many other programs don't include anything.

Re: gEDA-user: is gEDA a good choice for designers?

2007-07-03 Thread Igor Izyumin
On 7/3/07, Steve Meier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is fair. A lot of the component companies (altera, analog etc) provide patterns and footprints for the main commercial tools. However making a symbol isn't that hard (unless its a 1020 pin fpga) . Actually, a 1020 pin FPGA would be pretty