Re: gEDA-user: newbie, couple of Q's about gschem

2007-10-15 Thread Wojciech Kazubski
Ahhh, thanks. Is that different from the fc5 rpm right under it? I grabbed that and installed it, no problems, but no new components either after a gschem restart. I don't see a place in gschemrc to spec the new 'smallsym' directory as a path to search for symbols. I could

Re: gEDA-user: Too many steps to save a modified gschem-symbol

2007-10-15 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 00:14:24 +0200, Stefan Salewski wrote: Can we compress this in one single command Save Symbol as...? Ack. I always feel like a bash script when I go through these steps. Did you consider to file a feature request? ---(kaimartin)--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak

Re: gEDA-user: PCB paste layer, revisited.

2007-10-15 Thread John Griessen
Levente wrote: I think the padstacks should be defined elsewhere, and we should only have a reference for it in the PCB file. Same goes for pads in padstack. So I prefer light footprints. Just my EUR 0.02. Could a file-wide pad stack handle all cases of using a padstack? I am thinking

Re: gEDA-user: PCB paste layer, revisited.

2007-10-15 Thread Dave N6NZ
John Griessen wrote: Could a file-wide pad stack handle all cases of using a padstack? I am thinking Dave wants to vary the shape of paste layer from place to place... What I want is simple. For any footprint, it needs to draw a paste layer that cuts a reliable stencil. I don't need to

Re: gEDA-user: newbie, couple of Q's about gschem

2007-10-15 Thread Chris Albertson
Gschem's primary purpose is schematic capture. If what you want is publication quality schematic drawings use XCircuit. http://opencircuitdesign.com/xcircuit/. What would be really nice would be a translator between the two ___ geda-user mailing list

Re: gEDA-user: newbie, couple of Q's about gschem

2007-10-15 Thread Peter TB Brett
On Monday 15 October 2007 17:27:43 Chris Albertson wrote: Gschem's primary purpose is schematic capture. If what you want is publication quality schematic drawings use XCircuit. http://opencircuitdesign.com/xcircuit/. I'm afraid that this is just not true. It's entirely possible to produce

Re: gEDA-user: collaboration opportunity

2007-10-15 Thread Peter TB Brett
On Monday 15 October 2007 18:10:05 DJ Delorie wrote: It got me to thinking - maybe some of us could get together and collaborate on a design? Each offering their expertise and time, using a central CVS/SVN server to hold the (yay ascii!) design files. Hmm, I'd better hurry up and get the

Re: gEDA-user: collaboration opportunity

2007-10-15 Thread Dave McGuire
On Oct 15, 2007, at 1:10 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: I've been following this project: http://www.itredux.com/ At this point, he's looking for someone to design (or at least start designing) the PCB. I'd offer myself, but he needs RF experience that I don't yet have (it's got 802.11, CDMA, GSM,

Re: gEDA-user: collaboration opportunity

2007-10-15 Thread Dave N6NZ
Peter TB Brett wrote: On Monday 15 October 2007 18:10:05 DJ Delorie wrote: It got me to thinking - maybe some of us could get together and collaborate on a design? Each offering their expertise and time, using a central CVS/SVN server to hold the (yay ascii!) design files. Hmm, I'd

Re: gEDA-user: PCB paste layer, revisited.

2007-10-15 Thread David Kerber
Take a look at it now; I just re-ran the 3:15 run with the new export routine. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DJ Delorie Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: geda-user@moria.seul.org Subject: Re:

Re: gEDA-user: PCB paste layer, revisited.

2007-10-15 Thread David Kerber
Ooops, clicked reply to wrong list! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Kerber Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:36 PM To: 'gEDA user mailing list' Subject: Re: gEDA-user: PCB paste layer, revisited. Take a look at it now; I

Re: gEDA-user: PCB paste layer, revisited.

2007-10-15 Thread Dave N6NZ
DJ Delorie wrote: The data structures aren't that hard to understand, it's the code that manipulates them that's tricky. While I appreciate knowing that, your comment is 100% content free. It is a non-clue. Can't somebody simply say: Go look if file ___ and read ___.? That is a clue. It

Re: gEDA-user: PCB paste layer, revisited.

2007-10-15 Thread DJ Delorie
The data structures you need to update are called __ in file ___. Look at the code for ___ and use the same architecture to do ___. There will be gotchas w.r.t. rotate, undo, and ___, so look at the code for ___ in ___. ElementType global.h CreateNewPad CreateNewPaste DRC DRC() find.c

Re: gEDA-user: PCB paste layer, revisited.

2007-10-15 Thread Levente
John Griessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Levente wrote: I think the padstacks should be defined elsewhere, and we should only have a reference for it in the PCB file. Same goes for pads in padstack. So I prefer light footprints. Just my EUR 0.02. Could a file-wide pad stack handle all

Re: gEDA-user: PCB paste layer, revisited.

2007-10-15 Thread DJ Delorie
Imagine, that you have a 431 pin BGA. Would you include 431 times the same padstack in the footprint? I think one should bother with the whatever shape, and size of the stencil, copper, mask, paste layers. Those are just pads. Then we could link pads to a padstack, and the padstacks into

Re: gEDA-user: collaboration opportunity

2007-10-15 Thread John Griessen
DJ Delorie wrote: It got me to thinking - maybe some of us could get together and collaborate on a design? Each offering their expertise and time, using a central CVS/SVN server to hold the (yay ascii!) design files. It would be a novel way of doing things, and prove some points about

Re: gEDA-user: collaboration opportunity

2007-10-15 Thread DJ Delorie
I can contribute on a project that results in a low power ARM9 that can run linux motherboard. That sounds like fun too, but I think itredux is calling the shots about the hardware specs. At this point, there are two things pending: First, *can* the chips they choose be used in an open

Re: gEDA-user: PCB paste layer, revisited.

2007-10-15 Thread Dave N6NZ
DJ Delorie wrote: Imagine, that you have a 431 pin BGA. Would you include 431 times the same padstack in the footprint? I think one should bother with the whatever shape, and size of the stencil, copper, mask, paste layers. Those are just pads. Then we could link pads to a padstack, and

Re: gEDA-user: collaboration opportunity

2007-10-15 Thread John Griessen
Just in case any of you gEDA users and developers come across any other collaboration opps, open hardware (TAPR license/BSD licenseTinyOS license), projects on my near future list are: TinyOS platforms using CC2420 + MSP430F1611, CC2420 + MSP430F2274 CC2510 alone contiki platform using

Re: gEDA-user: PCB paste layer, revisited.

2007-10-15 Thread Steven Michalske
As long as we are on this topic. the solder mask should be part of the pad stack. I have some parts/and designs that requite unmasked via's and shapes. spark gap for extreme over voltage in power supplies. Not having a true solder mask layer in pcb is a limitation. overall i see this

Re: gEDA-user: PCB paste layer, revisited.

2007-10-15 Thread joeft
Dave N6NZ wrote: DJ Delorie wrote: Imagine, that you have a 431 pin BGA. Would you include 431 times the same padstack in the footprint? I think one should bother with the whatever shape, and size of the stencil, copper, mask, paste layers. Those are just pads. Then we could link pads to a