Re: gEDA-user: Halp! PCB crashing on my design

2008-08-21 Thread Eric Brombaugh
DJ Delorie wrote: >> Well, that's enough reason to use the proper grouping. Would >> 'Optimize Rats' and DRC catch the short, or would it be undetected >> until you built the board and smoked a part? > > In the few cases where I'd seen it, the gerbers are just solid black. > Really hard to miss. >

Re: gEDA-user: Halp! PCB crashing on my design

2008-08-21 Thread DJ Delorie
> Well, that's enough reason to use the proper grouping. Would > 'Optimize Rats' and DRC catch the short, or would it be undetected > until you built the board and smoked a part? In the few cases where I'd seen it, the gerbers are just solid black. Really hard to miss. More common is polygons on

Re: gEDA-user: Halp! PCB crashing on my design

2008-08-21 Thread Eric Brombaugh
DJ Delorie wrote: >> Thanks - I've made that change. Just out of curiosity, what's the >> impact of the incorrect grouping? > > Worst case? Polygons shorting your SMT pads. Well, that's enough reason to use the proper grouping. Would 'Optimize Rats' and DRC catch the short, or would it be undet

Re: gEDA-user: Halp! PCB crashing on my design

2008-08-21 Thread Ben Jackson
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 11:32:06PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: > > > Thanks - I've made that change. Just out of curiosity, what's the > > impact of the incorrect grouping? > > Worst case? Polygons shorting your SMT pads. Actually I think the true "worst case" is that almost all of the "bad defaul

Re: gEDA-user: Halp! PCB crashing on my design

2008-08-21 Thread DJ Delorie
> Thanks - I've made that change. Just out of curiosity, what's the > impact of the incorrect grouping? Worst case? Polygons shorting your SMT pads. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda

Re: gEDA-user: Halp! PCB crashing on my design

2008-08-21 Thread Eric Brombaugh
DJ Delorie wrote: >> Interesting. I believe that this grouping came from the default >> generated by gsch2pcb that 'ships' with the 20080202 rpm from fedora. > > In my tutorials, I have the user create a blank board first, then use > gsch2pcb *only* to add elements and update the netlist. Aha -

Re: gEDA-user: Halp! PCB crashing on my design

2008-08-21 Thread Eric Brombaugh
Ben Jackson wrote: > On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 09:45:04PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: >>> http://members.cox.net/ebrombaugh1/synth/dsPICfun2/dsPICfun2.pcb.tgz >> I've reproduced this, it's the usual b->contours bug. > > It is crashing because the polygon dicer is trying to cut a polygon > through its f

Re: gEDA-user: Halp! PCB crashing on my design

2008-08-21 Thread DJ Delorie
> Interesting. I believe that this grouping came from the default > generated by gsch2pcb that 'ships' with the 20080202 rpm from fedora. In my tutorials, I have the user create a blank board first, then use gsch2pcb *only* to add elements and update the netlist. > Can I fix it simply by editi

Re: gEDA-user: Halp! PCB crashing on my design

2008-08-21 Thread Eric Brombaugh
DJ Delorie wrote: > Quick notes: > > One big rectangle is better than five overlapping rectangles. Indeed - that's what I'd prefer too. My experience with 20080202 however was that one big rectangle had a tendency to fill incorrectly and leave large gaps. Multiple overlapping rectangles were my

Re: gEDA-user: Halp! PCB crashing on my design

2008-08-21 Thread Ben Jackson
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 09:45:04PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: > > > http://members.cox.net/ebrombaugh1/synth/dsPICfun2/dsPICfun2.pcb.tgz > > I've reproduced this, it's the usual b->contours bug. It is crashing because the polygon dicer is trying to cut a polygon through its first hole, so it const

Re: gEDA-user: Halp! PCB crashing on my design

2008-08-21 Thread DJ Delorie
Quick notes: One big rectangle is better than five overlapping rectangles. I don't know how, but you have two groups containing the "component" side, and two containing the solder side: Groups("1,2,3,s:4,5,6,c:s:c") The last :s:c should be :7:8 _

Re: gEDA-user: Halp! PCB crashing on my design

2008-08-21 Thread Eric Brombaugh
DJ Delorie wrote: > Yeah, just delete the polygons from the .pcb and it should go away. > I'll poke at it and see what I can do with it. That worked. Thanks a bunch! Eric ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/

Re: gEDA-user: Halp! PCB crashing on my design

2008-08-21 Thread DJ Delorie
Yeah, just delete the polygons from the .pcb and it should go away. I'll poke at it and see what I can do with it. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Halp! PCB crashing on my design

2008-08-21 Thread Eric Brombaugh
DJ Delorie wrote: >> http://members.cox.net/ebrombaugh1/synth/dsPICfun2/dsPICfun2.pcb.tgz > > I've reproduced this, it's the usual b->contours bug. Aha - any way I can hand-edit the .pcb file to recover from this? If it's just the rectangle fills I wouldn't mind deleting them to get my routes &

Re: gEDA-user: Halp! PCB crashing on my design

2008-08-21 Thread Eric Brombaugh
Dan McMahill wrote: > Eric Brombaugh wrote: >> the README.cvs document appears to be out of date > > I just fixed the README.cvs document to have the right server name. Thanks! >> Note that >> building bombs out on documentation due to lack of some files: > > Yep. When building from cvs, you

Re: gEDA-user: Halp! PCB crashing on my design

2008-08-21 Thread DJ Delorie
> http://members.cox.net/ebrombaugh1/synth/dsPICfun2/dsPICfun2.pcb.tgz I've reproduced this, it's the usual b->contours bug. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Halp! PCB crashing on my design

2008-08-21 Thread Dan McMahill
Eric Brombaugh wrote: > Eric Brombaugh wrote: > >> I've been trying to get logged into the sourceforge CVS server >> for a while now but it seems to be hung (just sits waiting after I hit >> for the PW prompt). I'll try again later tonight. > > That's solved - the README.cvs document appears t

Re: gEDA-user: Halp! PCB crashing on my design

2008-08-21 Thread Eric Brombaugh
Eric Brombaugh wrote: > I've been trying to get logged into the sourceforge CVS server > for a while now but it seems to be hung (just sits waiting after I hit > for the PW prompt). I'll try again later tonight. That's solved - the README.cvs document appears to be out of date and is giving i

Re: gEDA-user: Halp! PCB crashing on my design

2008-08-21 Thread Eric Brombaugh
Ben Jackson wrote: > On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 05:26:20PM -0700, Eric Brombaugh wrote: >> I'm using pcb version 20080202 installed from rpm for Fedora 9 with the >> GTK HID. > > As always it's worth trying the CVS, since PCB improvement has been > rapid in the last year or so. Thanks - I've been t

Re: gEDA-user: Halp! PCB crashing on my design

2008-08-21 Thread Ben Jackson
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 05:26:20PM -0700, Eric Brombaugh wrote: > > I'm using pcb version 20080202 installed from rpm for Fedora 9 with the > GTK HID. As always it's worth trying the CVS, since PCB improvement has been rapid in the last year or so. You could also make the file available to the

gEDA-user: Halp! PCB crashing on my design

2008-08-21 Thread Eric Brombaugh
PCB Gurus, This morning I made some edits to a design, saved the results, quit and checked them in to CVS. Now when I try to open the design up in PCB the application bails out without issuing any errors. Running pcb without arguments brings up the application, but attempting to load the design

gEDA-user: Cambridge coding weekend

2008-08-21 Thread Peter TB Brett
Hi everyone, On the 24th-26th August I'll be off work and spending the time working on some gEDA things. Specifically: 1. Trawling through the trackers and seeing how many of the issues I can fix. If there's a small gEDA problem that's bugging you, report it now! 2. Making some minor code chan

Re: gEDA-user: printing gerbers in windows

2008-08-21 Thread Eric Winsor
If you are planning on printing on toner transfer paper and masking your copper with that, I believe that the ink jet will not work. If you are using photo sensitive copper then an ink jet print on transparency will work, but you will need a negative image of your gerbers. Eric Winsor Robert