Re: gEDA-user: Outsourcing PCB layout

2009-05-25 Thread Gabriel Paubert
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 05:02:25PM +, Michael Sokolov wrote: John Griessen j...@ecosensory.com wrote: but then, the international reach of the internet along with closed borders and regulated trade may put me out, way out :-) You mean Ineiev's offer being 15-40 times cheaper than

Re: gEDA-user: Outsourcing PCB layout

2009-05-25 Thread Michael Sokolov
Gabriel Paubert paub...@iram.es wrote: Indeed, while some distributors apparently still have a non-negligible stock of Conexant's RS8973 (www.americaii.com claims 1943), Thanks for the pointer, I'll check it out! the transceiver is obsolete. Yes, Mindspeed doesn't want to make, sell or

gEDA-user: Gschem png color output - grayish background

2009-05-25 Thread KURT PETERS
When I look at the background of schematics output by the png writer from Gschem 1.5.2 it looks kind of like a dingy gray instead of pure white (especially when looked at as an import in WinWord). Does anyone else notice this and, if so, how would I get a true white background?

Re: gEDA-user: Outsourcing PCB layout

2009-05-25 Thread Gabriel Paubert
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 03:35:07PM +, Michael Sokolov wrote: Gabriel Paubert paub...@iram.es wrote: Indeed, while some distributors apparently still have a non-negligible stock of Conexant's RS8973 (www.americaii.com claims 1943), Thanks for the pointer, I'll check it out! I'm not

gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-25 Thread Josef Wolf
Hello, I am about to write an introduction into electronics for kids. This introduction will also contain small circuits to experiment with. For building the circuits, I'd use a breadboard like this one: http://produkt.conrad.de/45973183/steckplatine-eic-108.htm To draw the schematics, I'd

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-25 Thread DJ Delorie
Hmmm... perhaps you could make the breadboard with vias, lock them, connect them on the solder side, and change the via color to match the far side color? The breadboard wouldn't be an element itself, but a template .pcb file. ___ geda-user mailing

Re: gEDA-user: Outsourcing PCB layout

2009-05-25 Thread Michael Sokolov
Gabriel Paubert paub...@iram.es wrote: Sorry, I did not express myself well, I meant the TI part (SN75LBC784), that one does not appear in stock in any of my providers. I have it in my design for the sentimental value - I just like EIA-423 - and I have 25 of those parts in my little grabby

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-25 Thread John Coppens
On Mon, 25 May 2009 19:55:23 +0200 Josef Wolf j...@raven.inka.de wrote: - How can I make the breadboard drawing appear light-grey in pcb's postscript output? A trick I've used is to export or print the board to postscript. Then you'll have many pages, one of them the vias alone, and on

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-25 Thread John Luciani
For the PCB layout I would make a breadboard footprint (along the lines of the patterns of [1]http://tinyurl.com/5bxzgh ). (* jcl *) -- You can't create open hardware with closed EDA tools. [2]http://www.luciani.org References 1. http://tinyurl.com/5bxzgh 2.

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-25 Thread Josef Wolf
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 02:09:49PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: Hmmm... perhaps you could make the breadboard with vias, lock them, connect them on the solder side, and change the via color to match the far side color? Sounds good. There seem to be a couple of drawbacks, though: - The

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-25 Thread Josef Wolf
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 03:46:00PM -0300, John Coppens wrote: On Mon, 25 May 2009 19:55:23 +0200 Josef Wolf j...@raven.inka.de wrote: - How can I make the breadboard drawing appear light-grey in pcb's postscript output? A trick I've used is to export or print the board to postscript.

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-25 Thread John Griessen
Josef Wolf wrote: - The color setting seems to affect only the GUI. I would like to have the grey style in printouts (eps, included in latex, so it can be printed along with the description and the schematics, resulting in a small book) Maybe you could use the image in the

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-25 Thread Josef Wolf
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 02:52:31PM -0400, John Luciani wrote: For the PCB layout I would make a breadboard footprint (along the lines of the patterns of *http://tinyurl.com/5bxzgh *). Umm, thats not the type of breadboard I am talking about. See, this project is meant to be an introduction to

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-25 Thread John Luciani
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Josef Wolf [1...@raven.inka.de wrote: On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 02:52:31PM -0400, John Luciani wrote: For the PCB layout I would make a breadboard footprint (along the lines of the patterns of *[2]http://tinyurl.com/5bxzgh *). Umm, thats

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-25 Thread John Griessen
John Luciani wrote: I realize you are doing a different type of breadboard but the **idea** can be modified to your type of breadboard by changing the arrangement of the pads. Pads having the same number are considered connected. Take a row of square pads (all the same

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-25 Thread DJ Delorie
How would I specify the template when creating the initial .pcb with gsch2pcb? You don't. You copy the template to the .pcb, and only use gsch2pcb to *update* it. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-25 Thread John Griessen
DJ Delorie wrote: How would I specify the template when creating the initial .pcb with gsch2pcb? You don't. You copy the template to the .pcb, and only use gsch2pcb to *update* it. So, if the template was a sea of vias, would footprints be without vias even though they represent legs of

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-25 Thread DJ Delorie
You'd have to test pcb and see what it does if you overlay a pad on a via, or a pin on a via. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-25 Thread Richard Balogh
Josef Wolf wrote: Umm, thats not the type of breadboard I am talking about. See, this project is meant to be an introduction to electronics for total beginners. So it should be easy/fast to build and modify the circuits. I think, You want to create figures like this one:

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-25 Thread Josef Wolf
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 04:08:55PM -0500, John Griessen wrote: Josef Wolf wrote: - The color setting seems to affect only the GUI. I would like to have the grey style in printouts (eps, included in latex, so it can be printed along with the description and the schematics,

gEDA-user: system-gafrc

2009-05-25 Thread Peter Gregson
Hi, All, I have had endless trouble trying to install geda-bundle on my Intel MacBook running 10.5.7. It appears that all installs properly except that I don't have system-gafrc installed in /sw/etc/gEDA. Can someone send me a copy so that I can place it there? This shows up when I try

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-25 Thread John Griessen
DJ Delorie wrote: You'd have to test pcb and see what it does if you overlay a pad on a via, or a pin on a via. Oh, right. pcb footprints don't keep any traces, just pads, pins. (Yet.) JG ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org

Re: gEDA-user: system-gafrc

2009-05-25 Thread Jason Childs
Peter, Here's the one I have... Jason On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Peter Gregson [1]peter.greg...@dal.ca wrote: Hi, All, I have had endless trouble trying to install geda-bundle on my Intel MacBook running 10.5.7. It appears that all installs properly

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-25 Thread Josef Wolf
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:38:13PM +0200, Richard Balogh wrote: Josef Wolf wrote: Umm, thats not the type of breadboard I am talking about. See, this project is meant to be an introduction to electronics for total beginners. So it should be easy/fast to build and modify the circuits.

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-25 Thread Josef Wolf
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 05:57:52PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: You'd have to test pcb and see what it does if you overlay a pad on a via, or a pin on a via. So why not use pads instead of vias? Pads on solder side would represent the holes in the breadboard and special footprints with pads

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-25 Thread DJ Delorie
Vias connect the two sides, so you can test for connectivity. That's all I was thinking. If connectivity can be done another way, then you have other options. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-25 Thread John Griessen
Josef Wolf wrote: Hmm, I have the feeling that with the help of this list, I am already pretty close to the solution: - Use pads (instead of vias) on the solder side to represent the holes - connect them on the solder side with lines - lock pads+lines - fiddle eps output to change the

Re: gEDA-user: Pin-pin rubberbanding

2009-05-25 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Sun, 24 May 2009 14:59:55 +0100, Peter Clifton wrote: This patch allows you to touch two pins together (placing the component so the pins connect), then pull them apart to produce nets. It also works when moving nets attached to pins, so new segments are produced. Very cool. I'll try the

Re: gEDA-user: system-gafrc

2009-05-25 Thread Peter Gregson
Thanks, Jason. Greatly appreciated. Peter Peter Gregson, Ph.D, P.Eng. Professor, ECE Professor, Biomedical Engineering Dalhousie University (902) 499-3931 On 25-May-09, at 7:11 PM, Jason Childs wrote: Peter, Here's the one I have... Jason On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 6:02 PM,

gEDA-user: libraries

2009-05-25 Thread Peter Gregson
I have installed geda-bundle on my MacBook running 10.5.7. It appears to have been successful, thanks to Jason who sent me his system-gafrc file to install (geda-bundle didn't). However, this version seems to have found all of my libraries, but has not found the libraries that used to be

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-25 Thread John Coppens
On Mon, 25 May 2009 22:58:26 +0200 Josef Wolf j...@raven.inka.de wrote: I'd prefer something more scriptable, since I expect to have _lots_ of circuits. But at a first glance, it looks like the ps/eps outputs are easy to postprocess. If you want publishing (printing) quality output, you'll

Re: gEDA-user: pcb library and hid build modification

2009-05-25 Thread DJ Delorie
Do we really need all the complexity of libtool and shared libraries just to avoid editing a file? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

gEDA-user: libraries

2009-05-25 Thread Peter Gregson
geda-bundle did not install system-gafrc on my machine for unexplained reasons. I seem to have made it work by copying system- gafrc to /sw/etc/gEDA/ by hand. However, gschem does not find any of the libraries in /sw/share/gEDA/sym. How can I fix this? I don't see any way to specify

Re: gEDA-user: Pin-pin rubberbanding

2009-05-25 Thread Peter Clifton
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 23:24 +, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: On Sun, 24 May 2009 14:59:55 +0100, Peter Clifton wrote: This patch allows you to touch two pins together (placing the component so the pins connect), then pull them apart to produce nets. It also works when moving nets attached