Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-26 Thread Josef Wolf
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 06:33:01PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: Vias connect the two sides, so you can test for connectivity. That's all I was thinking. If connectivity can be done another way, then you have other options. What about using lines+arcs on the solder layer to represent the wiring

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-26 Thread Stephan Boettcher
Josef Wolf j...@raven.inka.de writes: I'd prefer something more scriptable, since I expect to have _lots_ of circuits. But at a first glance, it looks like the ps/eps outputs are easy to postprocess. Try gerbv, with a .gvp file as script. This allows to order and color the layers as you

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-26 Thread Josef Wolf
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 09:51:11PM -0300, John Coppens wrote: On Mon, 25 May 2009 22:58:26 +0200 Josef Wolf j...@raven.inka.de wrote: I'd prefer something more scriptable, since I expect to have _lots_ of circuits. But at a first glance, it looks like the ps/eps outputs are easy to

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-26 Thread Ineiev
On 5/26/09, Josef Wolf j...@raven.inka.de wrote: But scriptability is a concern, though: is it possible to create the ps/eps from a script/Makefile without GUI intervention? (Do you mean you do it _with_ GUI?) pcb -x ps --psfile board.ps board.pcb PCB even does not requires X for this task.

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-26 Thread John Griessen
Josef Wolf wrote: On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 06:33:01PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: Vias connect the two sides, so you can test for connectivity. That's all I was thinking. If connectivity can be done another way, then you have other options. What about using lines+arcs on the solder layer to

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-26 Thread Bill Gatliff
Ineiev wrote: On 5/26/09, Josef Wolf j...@raven.inka.de wrote: But scriptability is a concern, though: is it possible to create the ps/eps from a script/Makefile without GUI intervention? (Do you mean you do it _with_ GUI?) pcb -x ps --psfile board.ps board.pcb ... and then

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-26 Thread Bill Gatliff
Josef Wolf wrote: On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 03:46:00PM -0300, John Coppens wrote: On Mon, 25 May 2009 19:55:23 +0200 Josef Wolf j...@raven.inka.de wrote: - How can I make the breadboard drawing appear light-grey in pcb's postscript output? A trick I've used is to export or

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-26 Thread Michael Sokolov
Ineiev ine...@gmail.com wrote: BTW I couldn't achieve this with gschem --- it doesn't work from text terminal for me. That is exactly why the circuit which you'll be laying out has been done in uschem instead of gschem! MS ___ geda-user mailing

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-26 Thread John Doty
On May 26, 2009, at 5:34 AM, Ineiev wrote: On 5/26/09, Josef Wolf j...@raven.inka.de wrote: But scriptability is a concern, though: is it possible to create the ps/eps from a script/Makefile without GUI intervention? (Do you mean you do it _with_ GUI?) pcb -x ps --psfile board.ps

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-26 Thread Chris Smith
Michael Sokolov wrote: Ineiev ine...@gmail.com wrote: BTW I couldn't achieve this with gschem --- it doesn't work from text terminal for me. That is exactly why the circuit which you'll be laying out has been done in uschem instead of gschem! I keep seeing references to uEDA and uschem,

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-26 Thread Michael Sokolov
Chris Smith cj...@zepler.net wrote: I keep seeing references to uEDA and uschem, but I can't find any mention of it on the gEDA page or with Google. What is it? Where is it?= The following cvs checkout command: cvs -d :pserver:anon...@ifctfvax.harhan.org:/fs1/IFCTF-cvs co ueda

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-26 Thread Michael Sokolov
John Doty j...@noqsi.com wrote: You can print using the print.scm from a text terminal or script as long as there's an X server for gschem to flash the page on. A minor annoyance, I think. That minor annoyance was enough for me to write uschem (from scratch) to replace gschem. uschem

gEDA-user: [PCB] move components refdes

2009-05-26 Thread Ernst van Spronsen
Hi, I have a strange problem In PCB. I can rotate the refdes of a component but I can't move it. What I'm doing wrong? Hope you can help. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org

Re: gEDA-user: [PCB] move components refdes

2009-05-26 Thread DJ Delorie
Try selecting the only text setting. Make sure the text isn't selected. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: [PCB] move components refdes

2009-05-26 Thread Stefan Salewski
On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 19:57 +0200, Ernst van Spronsen wrote: Hi, I have a strange problem In PCB. I can rotate the refdes of a component but I can't move it. What I'm doing wrong? Hope you can help. Additional to DJ's comment: If you have a pcb file fresh generated by gsch2pcb you

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-26 Thread Bert Timmerman
Hi Josef, On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 12:42 +0200, Josef Wolf wrote: On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 09:51:11PM -0300, John Coppens wrote: On Mon, 25 May 2009 22:58:26 +0200 Josef Wolf j...@raven.inka.de wrote: I'd prefer something more scriptable, since I expect to have _lots_ of circuits. But

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-26 Thread Josef Wolf
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 03:34:43PM +0400, Ineiev wrote: On 5/26/09, Josef Wolf j...@raven.inka.de wrote: But scriptability is a concern, though: is it possible to create the ps/eps from a script/Makefile without GUI intervention? (Do you mean you do it _with_ GUI?) pcb -x ps --psfile

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-26 Thread Josef Wolf
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:24:03AM -0500, Bill Gatliff wrote: Josef Wolf wrote: On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 03:46:00PM -0300, John Coppens wrote: On Mon, 25 May 2009 19:55:23 +0200 Josef Wolf j...@raven.inka.de wrote: - How can I make the breadboard drawing appear light-grey in pcb's

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-26 Thread DJ Delorie
BTW: Where can I find a list of color names for the --layer-color-X options? They're #RRGGBB hex format. No names. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-26 Thread Bill Gatliff
Josef Wolf wrote: I wonder if LaTex and pstricks would be useful here? Yeah, that was my original plan: - draw schematics with gschem, export to eps - draw wiring with pcb, export to eps - write description in latex and include the drawings there Well, I was thinking along the

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-26 Thread Miles Gazic
I have this same problem, because I automate my build with makefiles, and I'd like to have a build machine (that doesn't run X) be able to build everything (mostly software, but also PNGs and PDFs of my schematics, along with running DRC, making a netlist, etc.) I did a search for an alternate

Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?

2009-05-26 Thread Bill Gatliff
Bill Gatliff wrote: /me shrugs, and apologizes in advance for sending you off in a completely different direction :) Completing the sabotage: :) http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/05/06/graphviz_dot.html b.g. -- Bill Gatliff b...@billgatliff.com

gEDA-user: File collision geda-symbols -- gnetman

2009-05-26 Thread Stefan Salewski
We had a file collision in Gentoo-Linux for latest gEDA 1.4.3 geda-symbols and old gnetman. A few identical symbols are installed to the same location. See this bug report: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=271177 Is gnetman still part of gEDA? If so, maybe it would be fine if that gnetman

gEDA-user: Xvfb allows 'printing' with gschem with a headless server (was: Breadboard drawings with pcb?)

2009-05-26 Thread Miles Gazic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xvfb In one terminal: Xvfb :3 In another terminal: DISPLAY=:3 gschem -p -o myschematic-page1.ps -s print.scm myschematic-page1.sch Xvfb doesn't need any particular hardware resources (screen, video card, keyboard, mouse), and it allowed the above actions to complete

Re: gEDA-user: File collision geda-symbols -- gnetman

2009-05-26 Thread Anthony Shanks
Use spNet http://spnet.code-fusion.net Website is down right now because I just installed new hardware on my server and I haven't got everything up 100% yet but if anybody has a copy on it on the list maybe they can attach it. If not, I will make sure the website is back up tonight after I get

Re: gEDA-user: pcb library and hid build modification

2009-05-26 Thread Jason Childs
DJ, Not really the point of the patch, just an added benefit in my opinion. It also cleans up the Makefiles. Beyond that, by providing a shared library and header files for installation, hid plugins can be built without the whole source tree. Ubuntu and other distros can now have a pcb-dev

Re: gEDA-user: pcb library and hid build modification

2009-05-26 Thread DJ Delorie
hid plugins can be built without the whole source tree. We can already do that. Heck, it's been done, too - Igor added an interpreter engine much like what swig does, which supports writing interpreted HIDs. The real point of the patch was that I want to create swig bindings for pcb and

Re: gEDA-user: pcb library and hid build modification

2009-05-26 Thread John Griessen
DJ Delorie wrote: if we're putting that much work into the core design of pcb, I'd rather shoot for a bigger prize than just support swig. For example, I'd like to redo how drawing tools and board objects are handled internally so we can extend those with plugins as well. I'd like board

Re: gEDA-user: pcb library and hid build modification

2009-05-26 Thread Jason Childs
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 8:38 PM, John Griessen j...@ecosensory.com wrote: To control drawing tools via a plugin in any language Igor/Tibor's GPMI interface allows would be fabulous!  Think of all the extra efforts that people would make in all their different favorite scripting languages?

Re: gEDA-user: pcb library and hid build modification

2009-05-26 Thread Jason Childs
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 8:00 PM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: Except that PCB is an application, not a library.  If swig assumes the target is a library (I don't think it does), perhaps that means that swig is a bad choice?  Or perhaps you could change the way you're trying to use it?  

Re: gEDA-user: pcb library and hid build modification

2009-05-26 Thread DJ Delorie
but the bindings would require all of the same object files that would be in a shared library. You'll have to explain that further. The main application *is* a shared object (else dynamic plugin loading wouldn't work), why do we need to separate out parts of it into a second shared object?

Re: gEDA-user: pcb library and hid build modification

2009-05-26 Thread John Griessen
Jason Childs wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 8:38 PM, John Griessen j...@ecosensory.com wrote: To control drawing tools via a plugin in any language Igor/Tibor's GPMI interface allows would be fabulous! Think of all the extra efforts that people would make in all their different favorite

Re: gEDA-user: pcb library and hid build modification

2009-05-26 Thread Jason Childs
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 9:24 PM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: but the bindings would require all of the same object files that would be in a shared library. You'll have to explain that further.  The main application *is* a shared object (else dynamic plugin loading wouldn't work), why

Re: gEDA-user: pcb library and hid build modification

2009-05-26 Thread DJ Delorie
How do you do: gcc -c swig_wrapper.c gcc -shared pcb swig_wrapper.o -o swig_pcb.so without gcc cursing at you? %.so : %.c gcc $(INCLUDES) -g -O2 -Wall -shared $ -o $@ Shared libraries can have cyclic dependencies with the app that loads them. You don't link against the app,

Re: gEDA-user: pcb library and hid build modification

2009-05-26 Thread Jason Childs
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 9:53 PM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: How do you do:    gcc -c swig_wrapper.c    gcc -shared pcb swig_wrapper.o -o swig_pcb.so without gcc cursing at you? %.so : %.c     gcc $(INCLUDES) -g -O2 -Wall -shared $ -o $@ This creates DYN objects for each .c file,

Re: gEDA-user: pcb library and hid build modification

2009-05-26 Thread DJ Delorie
%.so : %.c     gcc $(INCLUDES) -g -O2 -Wall -shared $ -o $@ This creates DYN objects for each .c file, the objects created during PCB's current build are REL not DYN... The goal was to have PCB and the bindings not have duplicate object code... which a shared library would solve.

Re: gEDA-user: pcb library and hid build modification

2009-05-26 Thread Jason Childs
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:05 PM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: %.so : %.c     gcc $(INCLUDES) -g -O2 -Wall -shared $ -o $@ This creates DYN objects for each .c file, the objects created during PCB's current build are REL not DYN...  The goal was to have PCB and the bindings not

Re: gEDA-user: File collision geda-symbols -- gnetman

2009-05-26 Thread Anthony Shanks
spnet website is back up http://spnet.code-fusion.net On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Stefan Salewski m...@ssalewski.de wrote: We had a file collision in Gentoo-Linux for latest gEDA 1.4.3 geda-symbols and old gnetman. A few identical symbols are installed to the same location. See this bug

Re: gEDA-user: pcb library and hid build modification

2009-05-26 Thread igor2
On Tue, 26 May 2009, Jason Childs wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 8:38 PM, John Griessen j...@ecosensory.com wrote: To control drawing tools via a plugin in any language Igor/Tibor's GPMI interface allows would be fabulous!  Think of all the extra efforts that people would make in all their