On 8/3/09, Michael Sokolov wrote:
> Ineiev wrote:
>
>> Your locale was Russian. PCB output aperture sizes as 0,025 instead of
>> 0.025.
>
> This is a perfect example why I consider the whole concept of locales
> and i18n to be a diabolical abomination. Whoever invented these evil
> things should
On 8/3/09, DJ Delorie wrote:
>
> We have code in pcb for locale-independent printf/scanf; gerber export
> should use that.
Then probably PS and BOM, too.
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Ineiev wrote:
> Your locale was Russian. PCB output aperture sizes as 0,025 instead of 0.025.
This is a perfect example why I consider the whole concept of locales
and i18n to be a diabolical abomination. Whoever invented these evil
things should be taken out and shot as an enemy of the People,
We have code in pcb for locale-independent printf/scanf; gerber export should
use that.
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On 8/3/09, Alexander Gvozdev wrote:
> Please help me! After some minor editing on board i get very strange gerbers
> (tura* in attachment).
>
> I try make gerber from any new pcb and see same problems (arg.zip).
>
Your locale was Russian. PCB output aperture sizes as 0,025 instead of 0.025.
HTH,
On Monday 03 August 2009 02:45:05 Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:51:39 +, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
> > The NETLIST type that gnetlist uses looks like this:
> >
> > /-
> > typedef struct st_netlist NETLIST;
> >
> > struct st_netlist {
> > int nlid;
> > ch
On Monday 03 August 2009 00:35:02 Bob Paddock wrote:
> > Seriously? Do they try to use the same tools for all tasks.
>
> The ones that are good with EMACS will. Especially with the new Butterfly
> command in 23.1. :-)
It sounds like my next project should be to re-implement gschem etc as ELisp
p
Bill Gatliff wrote:
> John Doty wrote:
>> 1. pcb is not the only layout tool gEDA supports.
>>
>
> Can you suggest some others?
>
there are a huge number of gnetlist backends. some for layout, some for
simulation, some for information.
But one example is PADS. At one time (perhaps still) a
I have tried starting another pcb and starting a new pcb within
running pcb. In both cases the library window only opens only when
you try to open it. I realize the proper fix is to change
librarychanged() to not happen unless the library really changes, not
when its being loaded,
On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 22:16:10 -0400, evan foss wrote:
> So then why do people still keep coming here demanding gEDA be more like
> those programs?
I have been reading this list long enough to say, that they don't.
Ok, there have been one and a half cases since 2005. This is hardly
a base to make
What happens if you load a new *.pcb while pcb is still running?
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Heres a patch i just learned how to make.
--- On Sun, 8/2/09, Uwe Hermann wrote:
From: Uwe Hermann
Subject: gEDA-user: Annoying library window open upon every PCB
start
To: "gEDA user mailing list"
Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 11:37 PM
Hi,
On Fri, Jul 31,
KURT PETERS wrote:
>> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:05:03 -0600
>> From: Mark Johnson
>> Subject: gEDA-user: can't plot time on x axis with KJWave
>> To: gEDA user mailing list
>> Message-ID: <4a7637bf.1020...@shaw.ca>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=fl
Here you can just disable the library window, adding options will be
more in depth.
int stop_annoying_library = 1;
static int
LibraryChanged (int argc, char **argv, int x, int y)
{
if(stop_annoying_library)
stop_annoying_library = 0;
else
ghid_library_wind
Hi,
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:31:04AM -0700, Josh Jordan wrote:
>An unrelated but essential change is to stop the library window from
>opening every time pcb opens in gtk.
Yes, I also find it annoying if it opens automatically everytime I start
PCB. However, this should be a user-editabl
> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:05:03 -0600
> From: Mark Johnson
> Subject: gEDA-user: can't plot time on x axis with KJWave
> To: gEDA user mailing list
> Message-ID: <4a7637bf.1020...@shaw.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> I've been tryin
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Bob Paddock wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 6:30 PM, evan foss wrote:
>> On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 1:11 AM, igor2 wrote:
>>> On Sat, 1 Aug 2009, evan foss wrote:
>>>
You know the mechanical people have a livecd or I think it is dvd now.
Perhaps we should have an
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:51:39 +, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
> The NETLIST type that gnetlist uses looks like this:
>
> /-
> typedef struct st_netlist NETLIST;
>
> struct st_netlist {
> int nlid;
> char *component_uref;
> OBJECT *object_ptr;
> CPINLIST *cpins;
> char
On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:41 PM, Bill Gatliff wrote:
> John Doty wrote:
>>
>> 1. pcb is not the only layout tool gEDA supports.
>>
>
> Can you suggest some others?
Look at the list of gnetlist back ends. My customers usually have
their favored layout designers or contractors, with their favored
t
On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 18:30:54 -0400, evan foss wrote:
> If people really wanted a windows one then where are they?
In the kicad user group? Hanging out in eagle.support.eng?
Note, that the vast majority of users don't demand better software. They
just take, what is there. If it doesn't fit thei
I've been trying to get a plot of a transient analysis with KJ Waves.
I've gotten the analysis to run. When the "Select Axis Variables"
window appears, time is not an option under X axis. I can only plot the
output I chose prior to the simulation - on both x- and y-axes.
Needless to say, th
Bob Paddock wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 6:30 PM, evan foss wrote:
>> This could all be solved by making a live USB key with a fat32
>> partition to transfer files between windows and linux on.
>
> Booting a LiveCD of any flavor in some companies is grounds for getting
> fired. "Its the IT wa
Bill Gatliff wrote:
members of the community have a substantial investment in the
> way geda works today that nobody wants to see invalidated.
.
.
.
.
I'd love a
> 1-man-year contract to clean up geda and pcb.
I think that status is more the latter and less about investment in no-change.
John G
On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 20:33:15 +0200
Oliver Lehmann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I made my first PCB ever - and I did it with PCB ;)
Well done!
> I've one question. I use a 3*32pin connector and I have problems with
> placing it properly. I sized the board with the exact dimensions I
> need, but I need to h
John Doty wrote:
>
> 1. pcb is not the only layout tool gEDA supports.
>
Can you suggest some others?
b.g.
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On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 6:30 PM, evan foss wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 1:11 AM, igor2 wrote:
>> On Sat, 1 Aug 2009, evan foss wrote:
>>
>>>You know the mechanical people have a livecd or I think it is dvd now.
>>>Perhaps we should have an electronics live disk of some kind?
>>
>> For a few semes
Jason Childs wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 8:42 AM, John Doty wrote:
>
>> We're not a programming team implementing what Marketing wants. We're
>> a bunch of computer-savvy users implementing what we intend to use.
>> That's our strength. That's why gEDA is different. That's why gEDA is
>> a s
Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 10:41:49 -0500, John Griessen wrote:
>
>
>> http://www.edn.com/article/CA236.html?text=improving+on+pcb+design
>>
>
> Somewhere in the interview they mention the use of spreadsheets to
> manipulate symbols in a schematic. I guess, this is,
John Doty wrote:
> On Aug 2, 2009, at 7:45 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
>
>
>> On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 06:42:20 -0600, John Doty wrote:
>>
>>
His judgement is pretty much dead on. Many people on this list are
openly hostile to Windows users,
>>> The only hostility I see
John Doty wrote:
>
> I very much
> hope that gEDA does not evolve into a dull tool.
>
I agree. But I also agree with others who say that more could be done
to bridge the gap between us and a typical Windows user. Who knows, as
a result we may end up attracting a developer or two with skills
> speaking for myself, I'm barely keeping my head above water with my
> other commitments in life.
That pretty much sums up my life too ;-)
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On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 1:11 AM, igor2 wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Aug 2009, evan foss wrote:
>
>>You know the mechanical people have a livecd or I think it is dvd now.
>>Perhaps we should have an electronics live disk of some kind?
>
> For a few semesters I was teaching gschem/pcb for undergrads. In the ver
Jason Childs wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 8:42 AM, John Doty wrote:
>> We're not a programming team implementing what Marketing wants. We're
>> a bunch of computer-savvy users implementing what we intend to use.
>> That's our strength. That's why gEDA is different. That's why gEDA is
>> a sharp
Jason Childs wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 8:42 AM, John Doty wrote:
>> We're not a programming team implementing what Marketing wants. We're
>> a bunch of computer-savvy users implementing what we intend to use.
>> That's our strength. That's why gEDA is different. That's why gEDA is
>> a sharp
Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 10:41:49 -0500, John Griessen wrote:
>
>> http://www.edn.com/article/CA236.html?text=improving+on+pcb+design
>
> Somewhere in the interview they mention the use of spreadsheets to
> manipulate symbols in a schematic.
I thought it was spreadshee
That looks like the one, but there's one small problem: on your
website you named the file .gz when it's actually a .tar.gz .
Also, somebody should fix the link at http://www.gpleda.org/links.html
-Alan
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Bob Paddock wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 12:46 PM, wrote:
>
On Sun, 2009-08-02 at 21:34 +0200, Oliver Lehmann wrote:
> Duncan Drennan wrote:
>
> > If you use the "outline" layer (which is a special layer in PCB), then
> > the outline will be correct on the .fab gerber too.
>
> How do I create that special layer? I'd just use a free layer and rename it?
>
On Aug 2, 2009, at 11:27 AM, Jason Childs wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 8:42 AM, John Doty wrote:
>>
>> We're not a programming team implementing what Marketing wants. We're
>> a bunch of computer-savvy users implementing what we intend to use.
>> That's our strength. That's why gEDA is differe
Duncan Drennan wrote:
> If you use the "outline" layer (which is a special layer in PCB), then
> the outline will be correct on the .fab gerber too.
How do I create that special layer? I'd just use a free layer and rename it?
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> Add a layer called "outline" and place a the outline of the board there.
> Gerber export will produce a separate gerber file, that tells the fab
> where to cut the board. I'd include a README in the zip file of gerbers
> where I explicitely state which file to take the outline from.
If you use t
On Aug 2, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Mike Kordosky wrote:
>
>Hi,
>I'm learning to use ngspice and gschem via the excellent tutorial
>[1]http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:ngspice_and_gschem
>I think there are a few small problems which if fixed would make
> the
>tutorial even better. I
Excellent. I am more than happy to add to the wiki myself.
mike
On 8/2/09, Kai-Martin Knaak <[1]...@familieknaak.de> wrote:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 14:24:39 -0400, Mike Kordosky wrote:
> I think there are a few small problems which if fixed would make
the
> tutorial even
On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 14:24:39 -0400, Mike Kordosky wrote:
> I think there are a few small problems which if fixed would make the
> tutorial even better.
It's a wiki. You may Ales for an account and fix the the problems. Ask
on the mailing list if unsure about a particular edit.
---> ahvezda AT
Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
> Add a layer called "outline" and place a the outline of the board there.
> Gerber export will produce a separate gerber file, that tells the fab
> where to cut the board. I'd include a README in the zip file of gerbers
> where I explicitely state which file to take the
On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:33:15 +0200, Oliver Lehmann wrote:
> I made my first PCB ever - and I did it with PCB
Welcome to the club of geda/pcb users!
> I now made the board a
> bit bigger to have the connector placed properly. I then drew a brown
> line (component layer) to mark where the boar
I do this all the time (even as we speak ;)
You need to find out how the manufacturer wants you to specify the
board perimeter. With PCB Express I place a one mil line on the top
layer.
(* jcl *)
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Hi,
I made my first PCB ever - and I did it with PCB ;)
I've one question. I use a 3*32pin connector and I have problems with
placing it properly. I sized the board with the exact dimensions I need,
but I need to have the connection side of the connector "out" of the
board. This is not possible a
Hi,
I'm learning to use ngspice and gschem via the excellent tutorial
[1]http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:ngspice_and_gschem
I think there are a few small problems which if fixed would make the
tutorial even better. I am not sure if this is the relevant mailing
list, I thought abou
On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 10:41:49 -0500, John Griessen wrote:
> http://www.edn.com/article/CA236.html?text=improving+on+pcb+design
Somewhere in the interview they mention the use of spreadsheets to
manipulate symbols in a schematic. I guess, this is, what inspired
gattrib. However, to be really
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 8:42 AM, John Doty wrote:
>
> We're not a programming team implementing what Marketing wants. We're
> a bunch of computer-savvy users implementing what we intend to use.
> That's our strength. That's why gEDA is different. That's why gEDA is
> a sharp toolkit for the computer
Bob Paddock wrote:
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/OldDosOrcad/
> might have a version that can be downloaded.
http://www.edn.com/contents/images/236.pdf
is a pdf of the article, "Improving on
PCB design", I think any current or prospective
gEDA developers should read about OrCad's orig
On Aug 2, 2009, at 7:45 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 06:42:20 -0600, John Doty wrote:
>
>>> His judgement is pretty much dead on. Many people on this list are
>>> openly hostile to Windows users,
>>
>> The only hostility I see is to the attitude:
>
> Yet, the rest of your po
> I noticed
> an article we should all read about the Orcad developers and their user
> interface,
> and it wouldn't hurt if we all ran a limited Orcad version so we could
> see it in action.
> http://www.edn.com/article/CA236.html?text=improving+on+pcb+design
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/
Josh Jordan wrote:
>What a doofus. You can get any free-trial/limited
>> key sentence:
>>
>>> gEDA is friendly to everything BUT Windows, and is nowhere near as
>>> refined as OrCad.
Why call the original poster of this thread a doofus for wanting
his students to go beyond l
igor2 wrote:
> Conclusion: I think a pure live CD won't help much. Something that
> "integrates" better in the windows environment, and where integration is
> not possible, something that looks and acts exactly the same way (even if
> that's stupid and slow) is necessary to convience majority of w
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 12:46 PM, wrote:
> A long time ago someone posted to this list about a converter he had
> written to produce svg files from schematics. His website,
> http://www.mycgiserver.com/~emem00/sch2svg/, is gone. Then in 2007
> somebody posted to geda-dev that they had mirrored th
Kai-Martin Knaak writes:
> The fix would have to be applied to each and every affected
> back-end.
May I suggest to study this LWN article for how this kind of problem can
be solved in a future-proof way:
http://lwn.net/Articles/336262/
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Bob Paddock wrote:
> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/08/01/2114210/Cheap-Cross-Platform-Electronic-Circuit-Simulation-Software?from=rss
>
> "Cheap, Cross-Platform Electronic Circuit Simulation Software?
>
> dv82 writes "I teach circuits and electronics at the undergraduate
> level, and have bee
On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 06:42:20 -0600, John Doty wrote:
>> His judgement is pretty much dead on. Many people on this list are
>> openly hostile to Windows users,
>
> The only hostility I see is to the attitude:
Yet, the rest of your post is a perfect example for general windows
hostility.
> We'
On Aug 1, 2009, at 7:55 PM, DJ Delorie wrote:
>
>> Anyone to stand up and bash the poster of the topic for his
>> judgement?
>
> His judgement is pretty much dead on. Many people on this list are
> openly hostile to Windows users,
The only hostility I see is to the attitude: "I want a Windows b
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