Re: gEDA-user: pads, mask and solder paste

2011-02-14 Thread Cory Cross
Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: The solder paste pattern emitted by PCB seems to coincide exactly with the copper of the pads. This is a reasonable default. But there are use cases where a different solder paste size is better. 1) A pad completely covered with solder mask should not receive any solder

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-02-14 Thread Martin Kupec
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 02:29:40AM +0100, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Kai-Martin Knaak, can I ask you to start the wiki page on an appropriate place? You seems to have already done something on the wiki(s). I started a page in the developers brainstorming corner of the wiki. To get things

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-02-14 Thread Martin Kupec
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 04:04:21AM +0100, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Martin Kupec wrote: It is not possible to unmask general shape. There is the possibility with converting rectangle to pad, but that is probably not the best way. Is the right way to have a layer of negative soldermask. Pads

Re: gEDA-user: Advanced grids in GTK Pcb

2011-02-14 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 14.02.2011 um 07:37 schrieb jpka: Now i know my work is welcomed, so i will try to do it according to your suggestions. Does the grid still change in case you swap the measurement unit? This behaviour should probably go away. Switching to mm doesn't neccessarily mean you want a

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-02-14 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 13.02.2011 um 22:32 schrieb Martin Kupec: My question is: What is impossible to achive with the current implementation and what would one like to achive? So far I couldn't find a select by layer function. Now, if layers could be hidden individually, and not only in groups, that would

Re: gEDA-user: Open Collector Error Checking

2011-02-14 Thread Karl Hammar
Krzysztof: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 08:38:47AM +0100, Karl Hammar wrote: ... Attached patch corrects that. Can you file the patch on the tracker so it isn't forgotten? http://bugs.launchpad.net/geda/+filebug The patches of (numslots=0 thing, oc/oe drc2):

Re: gEDA-user: Open Collector Error Checking

2011-02-14 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Karl Hammar wrote: The patches of (numslots=0 thing, oc/oe drc2): http://www.seul.org/pipermail/geda-user/2010-September/049354.html http://www.seul.org/pipermail/geda-user/2011-February/052384.html are so small and obvious. Do we really need the overhead of a bug tracker for them?

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-02-14 Thread Martin Kupec
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 11:03:24AM +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: Am 13.02.2011 um 22:32 schrieb Martin Kupec: My question is: What is impossible to achive with the current implementation and what would one like to achive? So far I couldn't find a select by layer function. Now, if layers

Re: gEDA-user: pads, mask and solder paste

2011-02-14 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Cory Cross wrote: 1) A pad completely covered with solder mask should not receive any solder paste. This kind of pads are useful a way to achieve tracks in footprints. Add the nopaste flag Thanks. I forgot about this one. ---)kaimartin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak

Re: gEDA-user: Open Collector Error Checking

2011-02-14 Thread Karl Hammar
Kai-Martin: Karl Hammar wrote: The patches of (numslots=0 thing, oc/oe drc2): ... are so small and obvious. Do we really need the overhead of a bug tracker for them? Well, developers of geda and/or pcb, those with write access to the source, tend to ignore patches on the mailing list.

Re: gEDA-user: pads, mask and solder paste

2011-02-14 Thread DJ Delorie
And my own question to add: is there a way to shrink all solder paste openings, say, 5%? I use a perl script to build a paste.pcb out of the working pcb, which has objects on a copper layer that correspond to the calculated paste openings from the original. That way, the perl script can

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-02-14 Thread DJ Delorie
http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:pcb_layers I already have a master PCB Roadmap at http://geda.seul.org/wiki/pcb:roadmap It already has a Wish List in it, and already has a bullet for a layer design update. Please stop making new pages for every new individual idea when there's already pages

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-02-14 Thread DJ Delorie
Ok. So layer would have object and object has a property if it is positive or negative. Negative from nothing will endup being nothing. Positive in positive will endup in positive. You can't have both positive and negative drawing objects in a single layer without prioritizing them, and once

Re: gEDA-user: Open Collector Error Checking

2011-02-14 Thread DJ Delorie
At least patches can be more easily retrieved on the trackers. When I have time to work on PCB (rare though that is), usually the FIRST thing I do is go through the patches in the tracker and apply whatever I can. ___ geda-user mailing list

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-02-14 Thread Martin Kupec
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 12:49:50PM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: Ok. So layer would have object and object has a property if it is positive or negative. Negative from nothing will endup being nothing. Positive in positive will endup in positive. You can't have both positive and negative

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-02-14 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Martin Kupec wrote: I have a little difficulty. How to get wiki login? You have to ask Ales Hezda for a login (ahvezda AT geda.seul.org). http://geda.seul.org/wiki/#about_this_wiki Martin is not the first to miss this crucial bit of information. Any objections against moving it to the top of

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-02-14 Thread Martin Kupec
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 08:14:27PM +0100, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Martin Kupec wrote: I have a little difficulty. How to get wiki login? You have to ask Ales Hezda for a login (ahvezda AT geda.seul.org). http://geda.seul.org/wiki/#about_this_wiki Ok. I will ask him. Martin is not the

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-02-14 Thread DJ Delorie
Ok. But I think, that still the best would be to have a separete page. Or perhaps a separete section in the roadmap. Note that I have a partial patch for this work already, which adds layer type flags to the layer data structre in PCB. The file format already allows an optional string-flags

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-02-14 Thread Martin Kupec
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 02:27:58PM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: Ok. But I think, that still the best would be to have a separete page. Or perhaps a separete section in the roadmap. Note that I have a partial patch for this work already, which adds layer type flags to the layer data structre

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-02-14 Thread DJ Delorie
Great. Where can one get that patch? http://archives.seul.org/geda/dev/Jul-2007/msg00221.html ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-02-14 Thread Martin Kupec
Hi, another set of questions needed to be answered before I can start any real work. Or better a set of thought how to do it. Current state: One physicaly connected surface is called layer group. What is called layer is something that one can work on and will end up in some surface layer group.

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-02-14 Thread DJ Delorie
Current state: One physicaly connected surface is called layer group. What is called layer is something that one can work on and will end up in some surface layer group. There are special Layers called silk, ratlines, mask, outline,.. Proposed state: I think it is common to call layer

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-02-14 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
DJ Delorie wrote: http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:pcb_layers I already have a master PCB Roadmap at http://geda.seul.org/wiki/pcb:roadmap It already has a Wish List in it, and already has a bullet for a layer design update. Martin did not ask for a general pcb wish list, but for an in

Re: gEDA-user: Open Collector Error Checking

2011-02-14 Thread Krzysztof Kościuszkiewicz
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 02:39:38PM +0100, Karl Hammar wrote: To change this habit, was one of the motivations for the with the switch from sourceforge to launchpad (hint, hint...) At least patches can be more easily retrieved on the trackers. I understand the hint etc., but we should

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-02-14 Thread DJ Delorie
You mean, unlike: Yes. If separation of name spaces is an important issue, I suggest to start with the pages linked above. Sounds great. Go for it. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org

Re: gEDA-user: Open Collector Error Checking

2011-02-14 Thread DJ Delorie
In what way a git repo would be better than separate patches? A separate git repo would make it harder for me to review patches. I'm much more interested in the history and discussion of the patch, than in the actual patch itself, and if there's anything wrong with the patch, LP/SF is a better

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-02-14 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
DJ Delorie wrote: If separation of name spaces is an important issue, I suggest to start with the pages linked above. Sounds great. Go for it. Sorry, I don't feel separation of name spaces is a priority issue. ---)kaimartin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Email: k...@familieknaak.de

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-02-14 Thread Peter Clifton
On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 04:04 +0100, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Martin Kupec wrote: It is not possible to unmask general shape. There is the possibility with converting rectangle to pad, but that is probably not the best way. Is the right way to have a layer of negative soldermask. Pads and

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-02-14 Thread Peter Clifton
On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 22:06 +0100, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: DJ Delorie wrote: If separation of name spaces is an important issue, I suggest to start with the pages linked above. Sounds great. Go for it. Sorry, I don't feel separation of name spaces is a priority issue. KMK - I

Re: gEDA-user: Open Collector Error Checking

2011-02-14 Thread Jared Casper
2011/2/14 DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com: A separate git repo would make it harder for me to review patches. I'm much more interested in the history and discussion of the patch, than in the actual patch itself, and if there's anything wrong with the patch, LP/SF is a better way to manage those

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-02-14 Thread Peter Clifton
On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 22:16 +0100, Stephan Boettcher wrote: Kai-Martin Knaak k...@lilalaser.de writes: Martin did not ask for a general pcb wish list, but for an in depth discussion of a single topic. A discussion where most people cannot contribute? What is wrong with this list for

Re: gEDA-user: Open Collector Error Checking

2011-02-14 Thread Peter Clifton
On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 13:31 -0800, Jared Casper wrote: Maybe make an official LP tag of vetted or something that junior developers can add to a patch, allowing a senior dev to concentrate on those first, not spending on time on patches that need work. Sounds like a good idea - call it

Re: gEDA-user: Open Collector Error Checking

2011-02-14 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Karl Hammar wrote: I understand the hint etc., but we should have one or more person that could actually *commit* thoose simple fixes, ack. Patches are the result of non-trivial efforts. The contributers deserve some attention. Even a short note, that the patch will not applied is way

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-02-14 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Stephan Boettcher wrote: A discussion Well, I didn't mean discussion in the literal sense of persons talking. More like a structured collection of thoughts ideas. where most people cannot contribute? Ask Ales (ahvezda AT geda.seul.org) for a login and you are in. What is wrong with

gEDA-user: Best use of my time? [WAS: Re: Open Collector Error Checking]

2011-02-14 Thread Peter Clifton
On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 22:39 +0100, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Karl Hammar wrote: I understand the hint etc., but we should have one or more person that could actually *commit* thoose simple fixes, Myself, Peter-B, DJ, Dan, Ales, Ben Jackson, Stuart Brorson, Anthony Blake We all seem to

Re: gEDA-user: Open Collector Error Checking

2011-02-14 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Peter Clifton wrote: Maybe make an official LP tag of vetted or something that junior developers can add to a patch, allowing a senior dev to concentrate on those first, not spending on time on patches that need work. Sounds like a good idea - call it patch-tested or something? We should

Re: gEDA-user: pads, mask and solder paste

2011-02-14 Thread Stephen Ecob
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 8:08 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak k...@lilalaser.de wrote: 2) Pads partly covered by solder mask should receive a solder mask pillow that corresponds to the hole in the mask, rather than to the pads copper dimensions. Such partly covered pads are useful as a heat sink. This

Re: gEDA-user: Best use of my time? [WAS: Re: Open Collector Error Checking]

2011-02-14 Thread Stephen Ecob
Right now I've got PhD work which I'm failing at (I'm on medical leave due to being depressed), and some part-time paid work trying to avoid going broke (which is otherwise imminent) so I can keep paying the rent. Do take care - I've had depression and know how debilitating it is. I really

Re: gEDA-user: pads, mask and solder paste

2011-02-14 Thread DJ Delorie
Limiting the paste size to min(Mask, Thickness) seems like a good idea, but can anyone think of a case where you'd actually want the Can you add a check for a fully tented pad? I.e. if mask==0, don't draw anything? ___ geda-user mailing list

gEDA-user: Open Source Hardware (OSHW) Definition 1.0

2011-02-14 Thread Stefan Salewski
http://freedomdefined.org/OSHW mentioned today by german heise magazin http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Open-Source-Hardware-Definition-veroeffentlicht-1189508.html ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org

Re: gEDA-user: Open Source Hardware (OSHW) Definition 1.0

2011-02-14 Thread DJ Delorie
Ideally, open source hardware uses . . . open-source design tools . . . The license may require that the design files are provided in fully-documented, open format(s). :-) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org

Re: gEDA-user: pads, mask and solder paste

2011-02-14 Thread Stephen Ecob
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:14 AM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: Limiting the paste size to min(Mask, Thickness) seems like a good idea, but can anyone think of a case where you'd actually want the Can you add a check for a fully tented pad?  I.e. if mask==0, don't draw anything? Sure.

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-02-14 Thread Bert Timmerman
Hi all, -Original Message- From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of Stephan Boettcher Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 10:17 PM To: gEDA user mailing list Subject: Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions Kai-Martin Knaak

Re: gEDA-user: Open Collector Error Checking

2011-02-14 Thread Bert Timmerman
Hi Peter, -Original Message- From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of Peter Clifton Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 10:34 PM To: gEDA user mailing list Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Open Collector Error Checking On Mon, 2011-02-14