Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-10-09 Thread Edward Hennessy
On Oct 9, 2010, at 3:25 AM, Armin Faltl wrote: > > > Edward Hennessy wrote: >> On Apr 29, 2010, at 2:14 AM, Armin Faltl wrote: >> >>> To express the many-to-many relation between parts and symbols it uses >>> a table called "device". This is fed by the infamous device attribute >>> in the sym

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-10-09 Thread Armin Faltl
Edward Hennessy wrote: On Apr 29, 2010, at 2:14 AM, Armin Faltl wrote: To express the many-to-many relation between parts and symbols it uses a table called "device". This is fed by the infamous device attribute in the symbol libraries. There's nothing wrong in the theory of DB-design with

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-10-08 Thread Steven Michalske
Yikes folks, sorry for brining this old thread back to life, somehow it got pulled to the top of my gmail in a thread and i starded re reading it. and commenting.. Sorry for bringing it all back up. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-10-08 Thread Steven Michalske
OMG! what is the core temperature of earth?? did it drop a few degrees? :-) On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > On Mon, 03 May 2010 08:45:29 -0600, John Doty wrote: > >> Yep. And then if you do that, and update regularly, trivial search >> commands like: >> >> locate

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-10-08 Thread Steven Michalske
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Britton Kerin wrote: >   What about SQLite?  I've *glanced* at its home page a couple times in >   the past (really no more than that), >   and in really less than 10 minute just now I was able to download it, >   build it, create a database in a file, >   query it

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-10-08 Thread Edward Hennessy
On Apr 29, 2010, at 2:14 AM, Armin Faltl wrote: > To express the many-to-many relation between parts and symbols it uses > a table called "device". This is fed by the infamous device attribute > in the symbol libraries. There's nothing wrong in the theory of DB-design > with it, but the indiscrim

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-10 Thread DJ Delorie
Part of the gedasymbols philosophy is that everything is owned by someone. The two choices are to keep Ales' name on it, or delete it. I don't want to have unowned stuff out there. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.or

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-10 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Fri, 07 May 2010 06:35:29 -0400, Ales Hvezda wrote: > I should remove those symbols since they are completely unmaintained and > I do not want them associated with me. IMHO, they should stay available on gedasymbols. How about a virtual user Anon N. Nymous? His page may clearly state, that th

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-08 Thread Armin Faltl
DJ Delorie wrote: If gedasymbols is good, what's wrong with a tool to allow easier access to a gedasymbols-like-but-more-organized database? I've stated before, I have no problem with people figuring out ways to pull gedasymbols content into geda's tools over the web. IIRC there was one s

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-07 Thread Windell H. Oskay
John, I said a number of nice things about you and asked that you stop being mean to people. That's hardly abominable. If you'd like to keep the discussion to EDA, that pleases me greatly. -Windell ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.or

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-07 Thread John Doty
Windell, Your repeated personal attacks do not belong in an engineering discussion. Plainly, you are unwilling to rationally discuss EDA issues. Blaming your abominable behavior on me is ridiculous: you are responsible for your own behavior. When you are ready to join a real discussion, I will

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-07 Thread Windell H. Oskay
> No, it is about polluting good engineering with sloppiness. Aye. To wit: You've been polluting what could otherwise be a good forum for engineering discussion with seriously sloppy social engineering. > As a non-contributer, you ask for changes whose consequences you do not > understand. I h

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-07 Thread John Luciani
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: > On May 7, 2010, at 12:49 PM, Windell H. Oskay wrote: >>> >> I wonder how third-part component search services (like findchips.com and >> octopart) presently search the distributors. Does anyone know? There must >> be some sort of API that th

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-07 Thread Dave McGuire
On May 7, 2010, at 12:49 PM, Windell H. Oskay wrote: I think there's not much to do to implement the service. In fact the service is already there, what's lacking is a proper interface to let 3rd party software get the search results without accesing the website through a browser. It could eve

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-07 Thread John Doty
On May 6, 2010, at 9:56 PM, Windell H. Oskay wrote: > > On May 6, 2010, at 6:07 PM, John Doty wrote: >> >> Nobody else has really thought about the magnitude of the problem. I >> challenge you to make a list. > > You are changing the subject, yet again. This is about you, John. No, it is a

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-07 Thread Felipe De la Puente Christen
On Fri, 2010-05-07 at 09:49 -0700, Windell H. Oskay wrote: > On May 7, 2010, at 9:40 AM, Felipe De la Puente Christen wrote: > > > I think there's not much to do to implement the service. In fact the > > service is already there, what's lacking is a proper interface to let > > 3rd party software g

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-07 Thread Windell H. Oskay
On May 7, 2010, at 9:40 AM, Felipe De la Puente Christen wrote: > I think there's not much to do to implement the service. In fact the > service is already there, what's lacking is a proper interface to let > 3rd party software get the search results without accesing the website > through a brows

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-07 Thread Felipe De la Puente Christen
Hi, On Fri, 2010-05-07 at 14:45 +, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > On Thu, 06 May 2010 17:30:01 -0400, Felipe De la Puente Christen wrote: > > > I have the feeling that this could have good reception from companies > > like digikey, mouser, arrow... > > I have a feeling, that they won't bother. Th

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-07 Thread Bob Paddock
>> I have the feeling that this could have good reception from companies >> like digikey, mouser, arrow... > > I have a feeling, that they won't bother. They may not see a reason to > provide a special service. We don't represent a relevant volume of sales. Not sure of that. We buy tens to hundre

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-07 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Thu, 06 May 2010 17:30:01 -0400, Felipe De la Puente Christen wrote: > I have the feeling that this could have good reception from companies > like digikey, mouser, arrow... I have a feeling, that they won't bother. They may not see a reason to provide a special service. We don't represent a

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-07 Thread Ales Hvezda
[snip] >symbols Ales himself manages. I also have far more symbols than Ales, >and Ales's files have remained untouched for over four years now. > As I said, I have absolutely nothing to do with gedasymbols. I should remove those symbols since they are completely unmaintained and I do not wan

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread Windell H. Oskay
On May 6, 2010, at 6:07 PM, John Doty wrote: > > Nobody else has really thought about the magnitude of the problem. I > challenge you to make a list. You are changing the subject, yet again. This is about you, John. > I encourage people to contribute to gedasymbols. Where is your contributi

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread John Doty
On May 6, 2010, at 9:28 PM, Jared Casper wrote: > Sorry, bored tonight and want to jump in... ;) > > On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 6:07 PM, John Doty wrote: >> I encourage people to contribute to gedasymbols. Where is your contribution? >> > > If gedasymbols is good, what's wrong with a tool to allo

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread DJ Delorie
> If gedasymbols is good, what's wrong with a tool to allow easier > access to a gedasymbols-like-but-more-organized database? I've stated before, I have no problem with people figuring out ways to pull gedasymbols content into geda's tools over the web. IIRC there was one such implementation al

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread Jared Casper
Sorry, bored tonight and want to jump in... ;) On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 6:07 PM, John Doty wrote: > I encourage people to contribute to gedasymbols. Where is your contribution? > If gedasymbols is good, what's wrong with a tool to allow easier access to a gedasymbols-like-but-more-organized databa

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread John Doty
On May 6, 2010, at 8:52 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > > Doh! My fault for counting my working tree, not the official tree. > Pushing symbols out is on my to-do list. Sorry. I sympathize. Lots of Open-IP symbols to go, and then I should start sifting through board-level component symbols, decide wh

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread DJ Delorie
Doh! My fault for counting my working tree, not the official tree. Pushing symbols out is on my to-do list. Sorry. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread John Doty
On May 6, 2010, at 8:31 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > >> Except that you're one of its more prolific contributors. Only >> Stefan and Kai-Martin have put in more symbols. > > Er, no? Ales's entry has 89 symbols, which (IIRC) were all the > symbols contributed to geda before gedasymbols.org happened,

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread DJ Delorie
> Except that you're one of its more prolific contributors. Only > Stefan and Kai-Martin have put in more symbols. Er, no? Ales's entry has 89 symbols, which (IIRC) were all the symbols contributed to geda before gedasymbols.org happened, not symbols Ales himself manages. I also have far more s

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread kai-martin knaak
DJ Delorie wrote: > >> > Again I'd be happy to clean this page up a bit. >> >> Who is admin for this page? Ales? DJ? > > Me. I failed to read the fine print on the end of the page. ---<)kaimartin(>--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread John Doty
On May 6, 2010, at 8:16 PM, Ales Hvezda wrote: > I have absolutely nothing to do with gedasymbols. Except that you're one of its more prolific contributors. Only Stefan and Kai-Martin have put in more symbols. John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ j...@noqsi.com

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread DJ Delorie
> > Again I'd be happy to clean this page up a bit. > > Who is admin for this page? Ales? DJ? Me. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread Ales Hvezda
>> Again I'd be happy to clean this page up a bit. > > Who is admin for this page? Ales? DJ? I have absolutely nothing to do with gedasymbols. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ged

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread John Doty
On May 6, 2010, at 7:07 PM, John Doty wrote: > gEDA isn't just a toy for hobbyists. I apologize if any hobbyist reading this is offended. I have great respect for hobbyists. But I have no respect for the position that toy tools are generally suitable for hobbyists, or that there's a small subs

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread kai-martin knaak
Britton Kerin wrote: > * Or at least put the cvs checkout incantation somewhere on the page. Yes, this should definitely be somewhere on the main page. Currently, the anonymous CVS howto is linkesd to under the heading "Contributing". How about a section "Accessing"? > Again I'd be happy to c

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 06 May 2010, Dave McGuire wrote: >On May 6, 2010, at 5:30 PM, Felipe De la Puente Christen wrote: >> Sometime ago I was thinking that gEDA-users as a comunity could >> request >> a part search API-like system to the distributors. For example,Digikey >> already has a fast-search bar for

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread John Doty
On May 6, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Windell H. Oskay wrote: > >> A community database would need trillions of symbols when the combinatoric >> possibilities are considered. Now how big is the community that's >> contributing? There are 41 contributors to gedasymbols. They have >> contributed 1392 symbol

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread John Doty
On May 6, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Edward Hennessy wrote: > GParts reads the scheme configuration files using an embedded Guile > interpreter. In keeping with tradition, GParts configuration files are also > in scheme. OK. I suppose you've rewritten a few libgeda functions. That's cool. I guess a st

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread Windell H. Oskay
> A community database would need trillions of symbols when the combinatoric > possibilities are considered. Now how big is the community that's > contributing? There are 41 contributors to gedasymbols. They have > contributed 1392 symbols. That's a measure of the capacity of this > community. Now

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread Edward Hennessy
On May 6, 2010, at 10:48 AM, John Doty wrote: > > On May 6, 2010, at 11:38 AM, John Doty wrote: > >> On May 6, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Edward Hennessy wrote: >> >>> I didn't know of another way to implement this function. GParts is looking >>> for where gEDA is installed in order to read gEDA's con

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread John Doty
On May 6, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Windell H. Oskay wrote: >> Too large ever to assemble. > > Right. Your suggestion is that EVERY SINGLE PERSON should build a full > separate heavy symbol library for EVERY SINGLE PROJECT, Oh, I reuse symbols from project to project. Don't you? > and yet a single > c

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread Matthew Wilkins
To: gEDA user mailing list Sent: Thu, May 6, 2010 2:34:31 PM Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib") On May 6, 2010, at 5:30 PM, Felipe De la Puente Christen wrote: > Sometime ago I was thinking that gEDA-users as a c

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread Windell H. Oskay
> Too large ever to assemble. Right. Your suggestion is that EVERY SINGLE PERSON should build a full separate heavy symbol library for EVERY SINGLE PROJECT, and yet a single community-built database is too large of a concept to even consider. Rght. > That shows a complete misunderstanding of

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread Dave McGuire
On May 6, 2010, at 5:30 PM, Felipe De la Puente Christen wrote: Sometime ago I was thinking that gEDA-users as a comunity could request a part search API-like system to the distributors. For example,Digikey already has a fast-search bar for firefox, so they are not far from what I mean. But

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread Felipe De la Puente Christen
Hi On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 15:11 -0600, John Doty wrote: > On May 6, 2010, at 2:18 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > > > > >> That's what sinks all forms of general-purpose parts database, > >> including the ever popular proposed library of heavy symbols. > > > > If you're just going to just down everyone'

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread John Doty
On May 6, 2010, at 2:18 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > >> That's what sinks all forms of general-purpose parts database, >> including the ever popular proposed library of heavy symbols. > > If you're just going to just down everyone's attempt to solve this > problem, please stop responding to it. We

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread Matthew Wilkins
ping any of this, so these are just my thoughts on how it could work. :) mw. __ From: John Doty To: gEDA user mailing list Sent: Thu, May 6, 2010 12:49:19 PM Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footpri

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread John Doty
On May 6, 2010, at 2:13 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > >> Impractical in general. Just reproduces the heavy symbol problem >> behind yet another interface. The software is easy, assembling the >> data is impossible. > > No, it doesn't. It's a way to populate your project specific database > from a mu

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread DJ Delorie
> That's what sinks all forms of general-purpose parts database, > including the ever popular proposed library of heavy symbols. If you're just going to just down everyone's attempt to solve this problem, please stop responding to it. We want to solve this problem, even if you don't, so stop bei

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread DJ Delorie
> Impractical in general. Just reproduces the heavy symbol problem > behind yet another interface. The software is easy, assembling the > data is impossible. No, it doesn't. It's a way to populate your project specific database from a much larger field of parts, or navigate through your project

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread John Doty
On May 6, 2010, at 1:34 PM, Matthew Wilkins wrote: > For less-common parts, There are so many different parts on the market, and so many different kinds of applications, design flows, prejudices, etc. that *every* part is uncommon. That's what sinks all forms of general-purpose parts database,

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread John Doty
On May 6, 2010, at 1:02 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > Thus, gschem could query the database for available LED colors, Impractical in general. Just reproduces the heavy symbol problem behind yet another interface. The software is easy, assembling the data is impossible. But a *project specific* datab

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread Matthew Wilkins
herwise would require 'heavy' symbols. __ From: Armin Faltl To: gEDA user mailing list Sent: Thu, May 6, 2010 11:41:18 AM Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread John Doty
On May 6, 2010, at 12:41 PM, Armin Faltl wrote: > >>> I think even a lot of the database stuff is possible in Guile. I've used a >>> Guile interface layer to MySQL and PostgreSQL, it works very well. It's >>> called Guile-DBI: >>> >>> http://home.gna.org/guile-dbi/ >>> >> >> Hmm. Could

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread DJ Delorie
> Hmm. Could a parts database utility be constructed to be logically > inserted ahead of the gnetlist back end (using -l or -m options)? My thoughts are that such information needs to be available at schematic capture, netlisting, *and* layout. I choose parts at all levels... > Plug-in... Henc

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread Armin Faltl
I think even a lot of the database stuff is possible in Guile. I've used a Guile interface layer to MySQL and PostgreSQL, it works very well. It's called Guile-DBI: http://home.gna.org/guile-dbi/ Hmm. Could a parts database utility be constructed to be logically inserted ahead of

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread John Doty
On May 6, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: > I was thinking about writing a parts database interface in Guile directly in > gschem I see that as the wrong place, at least from a schematic reuse perspective. To me, package selection, part# (manufacturer and distributor), even occasional

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread Dave McGuire
On May 6, 2010, at 2:18 PM, John Doty wrote: I didn't know of another way to implement this function. GParts is looking for where gEDA is installed in order to read gEDA's configuration files. I'm not aware of another mechanism to locate where gEDA is installed. Suggestions are welcome. h

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread John Doty
On May 6, 2010, at 12:10 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: > On May 6, 2010, at 1:38 PM, John Doty wrote: >>> I didn't know of another way to implement this function. GParts is looking >>> for where gEDA is installed in order to read gEDA's configuration files. I'm >>> not aware of another mechanism to loc

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread Dave McGuire
On May 6, 2010, at 1:38 PM, John Doty wrote: I didn't know of another way to implement this function. GParts is looking for where gEDA is installed in order to read gEDA's configuration files. I'm not aware of another mechanism to locate where gEDA is installed. Suggestions are welcome. h

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread John Doty
On May 6, 2010, at 11:38 AM, John Doty wrote: > On May 6, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Edward Hennessy wrote: > >> I didn't know of another way to implement this function. GParts is looking >> for where gEDA is installed in order to read gEDA's configuration files. I'm >> not aware of another mechanism to

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread John Doty
On May 6, 2010, at 6:17 AM, Armin Faltl wrote: > Thanks for all the hints on working with the current tools. > > Still my current concern is how I get gparts working with PostgreSQL and I > found > these BUGS: > *) configure doesn't react in a sensible way to a missing MySQL installation. > It

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread John Doty
On May 6, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Edward Hennessy wrote: > I didn't know of another way to implement this function. GParts is looking > for where gEDA is installed in order to read gEDA's configuration files. I'm > not aware of another mechanism to locate where gEDA is installed. Suggestions > are wel

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread Edward Hennessy
On Apr 29, 2010, at 12:28 PM, Armin Faltl wrote: > Hi, > > I read some of the SQL files yesterday and just started an attempt to build > gparts. > The INSTAL file list requirements for building with MySQL and PostgreSQL. > The later are present on my machine and I'm used to that DB. > > Then i

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread Edward Hennessy
On Apr 29, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Armin Faltl wrote: > Another strange thing with gparts: > > in 'sql/mysql/create-basic.sql' one finds: > cut > ... > CREATE TABLE Symbol ( > > SymbolIDINTEGER UNSIGNED NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT, > SymbolPa

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread Edward Hennessy
On May 1, 2010, at 3:12 PM, Felipe De la Puente Christen wrote: > Hi, > Just to let you (Developers of gparts) know that I have compiled the > git version of gparts, and when I run the program it segfaults searching > for parts data. Thanks for the report. > > fel...@monster:/usr/local/s

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread Edward Hennessy
On May 6, 2010, at 5:17 AM, Armin Faltl wrote: > Thanks for all the hints on working with the current tools. > > Still my current concern is how I get gparts working with PostgreSQL and I > found > these BUGS: > *) configure doesn't react in a sensible way to a missing MySQL installation. > It

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-06 Thread Armin Faltl
Thanks for all the hints on working with the current tools. Still my current concern is how I get gparts working with PostgreSQL and I found these BUGS: *) configure doesn't react in a sensible way to a missing MySQL installation. It records "no" version and then make happily tries to compile

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-04 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Mon, 03 May 2010 08:45:29 -0600, John Doty wrote: > Yep. And then if you do that, and update regularly, trivial search > commands like: > > locate .sym | grep -i max921 Hey-ho! Finally a topic I totally agree with John D.! ;-) ---<)kaimartin(>--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-03 Thread Geoff Swan
Perhaps that's where the pain is, but customizing symbols takes little time, so endure the brief pain and get on with it. You can't avoid it. Even if you have a heavy symbol from somebody else's library, you have to check it carefully, and that's almost as much work as customizing. M

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-03 Thread John Doty
On May 3, 2010, at 4:07 PM, Britton Kerin wrote: >> If you have a reference design that you're trying to modify or > extend >> getting a working set of symbols takes most >> of the time. And reference designs are the open source way. > > You can distribute symbol files with a reference

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-03 Thread Britton Kerin
> If you have a reference design that you're trying to modify or extend > getting a working set of symbols takes most > of the time. And reference designs are the open source way. You can distribute symbol files with a reference design. No problem. Still, I'd expect to

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-03 Thread John Doty
On May 3, 2010, at 10:16 AM, Britton Kerin wrote: > On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 7:04 AM, John Doty <[1]...@noqsi.com> wrote: > > On May 2, 2010, at 11:41 PM, Britton Kerin wrote: >> I use a probably almost identical project symbol approach. If this > is >> high-productivity way I'd hate to se

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-03 Thread Britton Kerin
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 7:04 AM, John Doty <[1]...@noqsi.com> wrote: On May 2, 2010, at 11:41 PM, Britton Kerin wrote: > I use a probably almost identical project symbol approach. If this is > high-productivity way I'd hate to see the alternative. Essentially, > everybody

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-03 Thread John Doty
On May 3, 2010, at 8:28 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > On Sun, 02 May 2010 22:41:21 -0700, Britton Kerin wrote: > >> What I've been thinking of lately is a sort of heavy symbol wiki that >> people could add to as they create their own project parts like you do. > > you mean, like http://www.geda

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-03 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Sun, 02 May 2010 22:41:21 -0700, Britton Kerin wrote: > What I've been thinking of lately is a sort of heavy symbol wiki that > people could add to as they create their own project parts like you do. you mean, like http://www.gedasymbols.org ? Technically, it is not a wiki but a CVS repository

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-03 Thread John Doty
On May 2, 2010, at 11:41 PM, Britton Kerin wrote: > I use a probably almost identical project symbol approach. If this is > high-productivity way I'd hate to see the alternative. Essentially, > everybody gets to continually reinvent the same heavy symbols. Its got > to be possible to do

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-02 Thread Britton Kerin
On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 8:29 AM, John Doty <[1]...@noqsi.com> wrote: >> * Unless there are excellent import/export functions, a data base is an additional obstacle to collaboration. These functions need to be written and maintained- >> > Inventing yet another cryptic file spec to

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-02 Thread Dave McGuire
On May 2, 2010, at 3:11 PM, kai-martin knaak wrote: I got hurt more than once and pretty badly by data base corruption while working with protel. Loss of several weeks worth layout/schematic design made me very reluctant when it comes to data bases. FYI, speaking as someone who works with

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-02 Thread kai-martin knaak
Armin Faltl wrote: > It's an independent tool like gattrib and you are free not to use it. That's why I said "_I_'d avoid data base solutions (...)". Of course you can add to the list of geda applications whatever you like. Just don't expect everybody to cheerfully join in. > The idea of the

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-02 Thread John Doty
On May 2, 2010, at 5:21 AM, Armin Faltl wrote: > >> I'd avoid data base solutions for footprints, symbols, simulation models and >> the like. > Appart from my attempt to come up with my own table layout, I try now to get > gparts working. > It's an independent tool like gattrib and you are

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-02 Thread Armin Faltl
I'd avoid data base solutions for footprints, symbols, simulation models and the like. Appart from my attempt to come up with my own table layout, I try now to get gparts working. It's an independent tool like gattrib and you are free not to use it. The idea of the tool is, to describe the

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-01 Thread Charles Lepple
On May 1, 2010, at 7:37 PM, Armin Faltl wrote: Looks ok: [ a...@ajf8 /usr/tmp/gparts] > autoreconf -vi Someone else pointed out the autogen.sh script, which I assumed you had checked for already. It contains a similar command line. ___ ged

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-01 Thread kai-martin knaak
Armin Faltl wrote: > since the stuff I managed to layout with your help is soldered now and > shining brightly, > I got some time, to have a look at my attempt to a database. So I have > to take levels > of abstraction and their naming serious. I'd avoid data base solutions for footprints, symbol

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-01 Thread Armin Faltl
Looks ok: [ a...@ajf8 /usr/tmp/gparts] > autoreconf -vi autoreconf: Entering directory `.' autoreconf: configure.ac: not using Gettext autoreconf: running: aclocal -I m4 autoreconf: configure.ac: tracing autoreconf: running: libtoolize --copy autoreconf: running: /usr/bin/autoconf autoreconf:

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-01 Thread Felipe De la Puente Christen
Hi, Just to let you (Developers of gparts) know that I have compiled the git version of gparts, and when I run the program it segfaults searching for parts data. fel...@monster:/usr/local/src/gEDA/gparts$ gparts --help ** (gparts:10512): DEBUG: Checking path /etc/xdg/xdg-gnome/gEDA ** (gp

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-01 Thread Charles Lepple
On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 6:33 AM, Armin Faltl wrote: > Hi all, esp. authors of gpart, > > an attempt to run autoconf in gparts gives me: >> autoconf > configure.ac:2: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE >     If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow. >     S

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-01 Thread Armin Faltl
Sorry to say: I had libtool installed - it's version 1.5.26 this is a Debian lenny system btw. Jim wrote: You have to install libtool. Search for libtool via your distro yum or apt-cache for RPM or DEB distros. I have no idea how to do it for Windows. Jim. __

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-01 Thread Jim
Armin Faltl wrote: Another strange thing with gparts: in 'sql/mysql/create-basic.sql' one finds: cut ... CREATE TABLE Symbol ( SymbolIDINTEGER UNSIGNED NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT, SymbolPath VARCHAR(500) NOT NULL, DeviceID

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-01 Thread Jim
Armin Faltl wrote: Hi all, esp. authors of gpart, an attempt to run autoconf in gparts gives me: > autoconf configure.ac:2: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow. See the Autoconf documentation. configur

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-05-01 Thread Armin Faltl
Hi all, esp. authors of gpart, an attempt to run autoconf in gparts gives me: > autoconf configure.ac:2: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow. See the Autoconf documentation. configure.ac:9: error: possibl

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-04-29 Thread Armin Faltl
Another strange thing with gparts: in 'sql/mysql/create-basic.sql' one finds: cut ... CREATE TABLE Symbol ( SymbolIDINTEGER UNSIGNED NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT, SymbolPath VARCHAR(500) NOT NULL, DeviceIDINTEGER UNSIGNED

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-04-29 Thread Armin Faltl
Hi, I read some of the SQL files yesterday and just started an attempt to build gparts. The INSTAL file list requirements for building with MySQL and PostgreSQL. The later are present on my machine and I'm used to that DB. Then it's stated, that PostgreSQL is not supported yet. What is missing

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-04-29 Thread Armin Faltl
A bit more reading and thinking reveals a problem with current gpart: To express the many-to-many relation between parts and symbols it uses a table called "device". This is fed by the infamous device attribute in the symbol libraries. There's nothing wrong in the theory of DB-design with it, but

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-04-28 Thread Armin Faltl
-user-boun...@moria.seul.org [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of Armin Faltl Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 5:27 PM To: gEDA user mailing list Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib") Hi, attached is a 1st version of the ta

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-04-28 Thread Bert Timmerman
Hi Armin, > -Original Message- > From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org > [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of Armin Faltl > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 5:27 PM > To: gEDA user mailing list > Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints

Re: gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-04-28 Thread Armin Faltl
Hi, attached is a 1st version of the table definitions. The file should be self-documenting. Armin -- author: Armin Faltl -- date : 2010-04-28 -- description: -- This collection of tables shall describe the connectivity between -- schematic symbols, parts, packages of electronic parts and --

gEDA-user: Database on symbols, footprints and other (was "Re: gattrib")

2010-04-27 Thread Armin Faltl
Hi, since the stuff I managed to layout with your help is soldered now and shining brightly, I got some time, to have a look at my attempt to a database. So I have to take levels of abstraction and their naming serious. John Doty wrote: On Apr 27, 2010, at 12:26 PM, Mike Bushroe wrote: