Re: gEDA-user: Problem with OGD1: Can anyone advise on good low-jitter

2007-12-07 Thread Dan McMahill
Timothy Normand Miller wrote: Sorry about the cross-post. We're -- THIS close to getting OGD1 done, with artwork in the hands of board makers who are working on quotes, and we've discovered a problem that could make the video output unacceptable. We've discovered that the clock generators

Re: gEDA-user: Problem with OGD1: Can anyone advise on good low-jitter

2007-12-06 Thread Timothy Normand Miller
BTW, I just wanted to thank everyone for the help with the clock generation problem. Lots of useful information! ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Problem with OGD1: Can anyone advise on good low-jitter

2007-11-29 Thread a r
Random ideas: try better supply decoupling or package, stop other FPGA outputs when the clock generator is active (or at least put them far from the generator outputs). Check PCB - especially for return current paths of noisy signals. -r. On Nov 28, 2007 7:09 PM, Timothy Normand Miller [EMAIL

gEDA-user: Problem with OGD1: Can anyone advise on good low-jitter

2007-11-28 Thread Timothy Normand Miller
Sorry about the cross-post. We're -- THIS close to getting OGD1 done, with artwork in the hands of board makers who are working on quotes, and we've discovered a problem that could make the video output unacceptable. We've discovered that the clock generators in the Xilinx FPGA part are lousy

Re: gEDA-user: Problem with OGD1: Can anyone advise on good low-jitter clock

2007-11-28 Thread Michael Schewe
Hello Timothy, take a look at Analog Devices AD9516-0 ... 5 family, these are flexible clock generators with many outputs and low jitter performance, as far as i understood in the femti-seconds range ( 1ps jitter). I have no practical experience with them but i plan to use them in a new

Re: gEDA-user: Problem with OGD1: Can anyone advise on good low-jitter

2007-11-28 Thread Larry Doolittle
Timothy - On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 02:09:22PM -0500, Timothy Normand Miller wrote: We've discovered that the clock generators in the Xilinx FPGA part are lousy for generating video clocks. Welcome to the club. So the best solution we can come up with is to put on some external clock

Re: gEDA-user: Problem with OGD1: Can anyone advise on good low-jitter

2007-11-28 Thread Ben Jackson
On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 02:09:22PM -0500, Timothy Normand Miller wrote: We've discovered that the clock generators in the Xilinx FPGA part are lousy for generating video clocks. DCMs have lousy jitter, yes. Altera parts have real PLLs, though. which causes artifacts on DVI monitors at

Re: gEDA-user: Problem with OGD1: Can anyone advise on good low-jitter

2007-11-28 Thread Larry Doolittle
Ben - On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 12:49:50PM -0800, Ben Jackson wrote: On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 02:09:22PM -0500, Timothy Normand Miller wrote: We've discovered that the clock generators in the Xilinx FPGA part are lousy for generating video clocks. DCMs have lousy jitter, yes. Altera

Re: gEDA-user: Problem with OGD1: Can anyone advise on good low-jitter

2007-11-28 Thread Ben Jackson
On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 01:02:00PM -0800, Larry Doolittle wrote: DCMs have lousy jitter, yes. Altera parts have real PLLs, though. Even if the FPGA chip were perfect, there are so many digital signals flying around the package that ground bounce alone will kill any semblance of low

Re: gEDA-user: Problem with OGD1: Can anyone advise on good low-jitter

2007-11-28 Thread Dave McGuire
On Nov 28, 2007, at 4:02 PM, Larry Doolittle wrote: That's kind of surprising, because the DVI spec has a bitrate 10x the fundamental clock, so both the transmitter and receiver generally have to have PLLs. Just the receiver, right? And that cable length comment makes me suspicious

Re: gEDA-user: Problem with OGD1: Can anyone advise on good low-jitter

2007-11-28 Thread Chris Albertson
On Nov 28, 2007 11:09 AM, Timothy Normand Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know anything about these? Do you have experience with specific high-frequency clock generators and know how they perform and what kind of jitter they produce? These are kind of like those four pin crystal

Re: gEDA-user: Problem with OGD1: Can anyone advise on good low-jitter

2007-11-28 Thread Andy Peters
On Nov 28, 2007, at 1:49 PM, Ben Jackson wrote: On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 02:09:22PM -0500, Timothy Normand Miller wrote: We've discovered that the clock generators in the Xilinx FPGA part are lousy for generating video clocks. DCMs have lousy jitter, yes. Indeed. The Spartan 3E claims