Re: gEDA-user: autorouting

2006-11-27 Thread John Griessen
Tomaz Solc wrote: In which cases do you use the built-in autorouter? Recently . . . . turned out the autorouter failed to route about a third of all nets and in the end I had to route it by hand. There is a way to guide the autorouter onto layers by making unwanted ones invisible, then

Re: gEDA-user: autorouting

2006-11-27 Thread Vaughn Treude
DJ Delorie wrote: I'm curious. In which cases do you use the built-in autorouter? When the layout is a jumbled tangle of traces and there's plenty of room. Or for boards so simple that there's little chance of it screwing up. I used auto-routing on my most recent project with pretty good su

Re: gEDA-user: autorouting

2006-11-27 Thread DJ Delorie
> I'm curious. In which cases do you use the built-in autorouter? When the layout is a jumbled tangle of traces and there's plenty of room. Or for boards so simple that there's little chance of it screwing up. The m3a board, for example, was 100% hand routed, because it's mostly busses, which c

Re: gEDA-user: autorouting

2006-11-27 Thread Tomaz Solc
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi > I use the built-in one, when I use it at all. Mostly I hand-route. I'm curious. In which cases do you use the built-in autorouter? Recently I was trying to use it to make a single-layer PCB for a keyboard with 54 keys - one of the most simple

Re: gEDA-user: autorouting

2006-11-27 Thread al davis
On Monday 27 November 2006 12:18, DJ Delorie wrote: > Right, but the user should be able to "throw money" at a > problem if that's what they need, either spending money to > purchase a commercial autorouter, or paying someone to write > a free one.  Thus, it would be good to be able to say "PCB > s

Re: gEDA-user: autorouting

2006-11-27 Thread DJ Delorie
> but don't fall for the trap of a zero-cost restricted proprietary > one. Such things are a serious threat to the existence of truly > free software. Right, but the user should be able to "throw money" at a problem if that's what they need, either spending money to purchase a commercial autorou

Re: gEDA-user: autorouting

2006-11-27 Thread al davis
On Monday 27 November 2006 11:59, DJ Delorie wrote: > Personally, I'd rather have a GPL'd autorouter, but OTOH > giving the user the option to license a much more powerful > one is good too. but don't fall for the trap of a zero-cost restricted proprietary one. Such things are a serious threat

Re: gEDA-user: autorouting

2006-11-27 Thread DJ Delorie
> What solution are geda/pcb users using for autorouting? I use the built-in one, when I use it at all. Mostly I hand-route. > I've had some conversations with folks at http://www.konekt.com and > they asked if there would be interest from pcb users in a commercial > autorouter? It looks like

gEDA-user: autorouting

2006-11-27 Thread Cliff Brake
What solution are geda/pcb users using for autorouting? I've had some conversations with folks at http://www.konekt.com and they asked if there would be interest from pcb users in a commercial autorouter? It looks like they use the DSN format (whatever that is) so a PCB to DSN translator would b