Dave N6NZ n...@arrl.net writes:
Interesting comment, in that on another list I was just in a discussion
about 2D drawing tools. I am a fan of QCad. Many people complain about
the strange UI on QCad. But after you climb the considerable learning
curve, you can absolutely fly with it...
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 10:11:52PM -0800, Dave N6NZ wrote:
Ben Jackson wrote:
They're both pretty bad. There must be something about CAD programs that
leads to wacky user interfaces.
Interesting comment, in that on another list I was just in a discussion
about 2D drawing tools. I am
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John Luciani wrote:
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Christoph Lechner cl0...@l-mx.de wrote:
Almost everybody is using Eagle or the evil Target 3001 because it's
so easy.
People often confuse ease of doing a single task with a productive
On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 11:17 +0100, Christoph Lechner wrote:
What is Target 3001 ?
Target 3001 is a EDA package that is quite popular in Germany (in the
German edition of Wikipedia they say that a poll done by Elektor 05/2004
amongst the readers had the result that Target 3001 was number 2 in
Some people consider a microcontroller + LCD display + some stuff a
project.
Hey! I just did one of those.
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On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 11:17 +0100, Christoph Lechner wrote:
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John Luciani wrote:
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Christoph Lechner cl0...@l-mx.de wrote:
Almost everybody is using Eagle or the evil Target 3001 because it's
so easy.
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 05:50:15PM -0800, Ben Jackson wrote:
Maybe we need a gschem HID for pcb? ;-)
They're both pretty bad. There must be something about CAD programs
that
leads to wacky user interfaces.
Actually gschem is the best and most intuitive one I've ever used. I
really love it,
Peter Clifton wrote:
If we had to nail down what it is about gEDA and PCB which make them
feel like different applications, what is it?
Keybindings? (those are the ones which trip me up moving between them)
JG: Yes, they should match.
Colours?
Grid style / behaviour as it zooms?
John Griessen wrote:
Peter Clifton wrote:
If we had to nail down what it is about gEDA and PCB which make them
feel like different applications, what is it?
Menus? JG:two letter sequences for both with
matching menu pulldown memory aid hints
I changed my
On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 09:58 -0600, John Griessen wrote:
John Griessen wrote:
Peter Clifton wrote:
If we had to nail down what it is about gEDA and PCB which make
them
feel like different applications, what is it?
Menus? JG:two letter sequences for both
Peter Clifton wrote:
Even then.. it could work if you were prepared to wait a dwell period to
make sure you meant d on its own, rather than dd or some other
action. I'm not looking to add that though.
Nahh... dwell time is not performance oriented. Opposite the benefits you get
from
PCB's
On Jan 27, 2009, at 8:02 AM, Peter Clifton wrote:
On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 09:58 -0600, John Griessen wrote:
John Griessen wrote:
Peter Clifton wrote:
If we had to nail down what it is about gEDA and PCB which make
them
feel like different applications, what is it?
Menus?
Hi all,
two years ago there was an article about gEDA in the german linux
magazin.
This article is online available now:
http://www.linux-magazin.de/heft_abo/ausgaben/2006/12/schalte_und_walte
Regards
Werner
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Am Montag, den 26.01.2009, 20:44 + schrieb Kai-Martin Knaak:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:05:13 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote:
People in germany seem to not like gEDA too much
Hey, what about me? ;-)
(and Werner Hoch., and Oliver Lehmann, and Peter Ragosch and ...)
---(kaimartin)---
I
I think having more consumer users for gEDA, which do not want to
make any contributions, only asking stupid questions and complain
about some rough edges, would be no benefit for the gEDA project.
As a developer, I disagree. Even stupid questions and comments can
tell us where we need to
On Mon, 2009-01-26 at 16:40 -0500, DJ Delorie wrote:
I think having more consumer users for gEDA, which do not want to
make any contributions, only asking stupid questions and complain
about some rough edges, would be no benefit for the gEDA project.
As a developer, I disagree. Even
Am Montag, den 26.01.2009, 22:11 + schrieb Peter Clifton:
Meine Deutsch ist nicht so gut...
If anyone would care to summarise the stupid complaints / questions in
that thread, I'd appreciate it.
OK, I will try and post a translation/summarise -- in a few hours or
tomorow.
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Stefan Salewski wrote:
The last discussion about gEDA in a german forum which I can remember is
this:
http://www.mikrocontroller.net/topic/120373#new
It may be better to ignore it, because it contains some really stupid
statements.
There are
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Christoph Lechner cl0...@l-mx.de wrote:
Almost everybody is using Eagle or the evil Target 3001 because it's
so easy.
People often confuse ease of doing a single task with a productive workflow
for a project.
What is Target 3001 ?
(* jcl *)
--
You can't
Am Montag, den 26.01.2009, 22:11 + schrieb Peter Clifton:
Meine Deutsch ist nicht so gut...
If anyone would care to summarise the stupid complaints / questions in
that thread, I'd appreciate it.
OK, here is the translation of a recent discussion in German forum
www.mikrocontroller.net
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 01:41:28 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote:
OK, I will stop translation now.
I'll do the last geda related post:
Autor: Dominik (Gast)
finde ich super, dass ihr hier was zu KiCad einrichten wollt.
Zur ursprünglichen Frage:
ich habe mit allen drei Programmen (Eagel, geda,
gEDA is a collection of independent programs, which shall be forced
towork together by some scripts.
I can understand that impression.
Some more scripts have as result, thatsome experts know some other
experts which shall have heard about peoplewho have routed the pcb
from the tutorial.
On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 01:41 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote:
Thanks Stefan, Kai-Martin for translating those summaries.
Some of those were quite amusing.. it is interesting to read about these
opinions - I don't think there is much there we haven't at one point or
other heard before.
Looking in
it is better we hear such comments from real users than working on
what we _imagine_ to be the turn-offs to the suite.
Definitely!
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gschem and pcb havedifferent user interfaces, which you have to
learn.
Yup.
I've wondered in the past.. would people (users / developers) object to
making the GTK HID for PCB more in line with gschem's GTK UI. (Or vica
versa)
I already ported a similar looking footprint selector (reusing
I've wondered in the past.. would people (users / developers) object
to making the GTK HID for PCB more in line with gschem's GTK UI. (Or
vica versa)
Maybe we need a gschem HID for pcb? ;-)
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On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 08:42:41PM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote:
I've wondered in the past.. would people (users / developers) object
to making the GTK HID for PCB more in line with gschem's GTK UI. (Or
vica versa)
Maybe we need a gschem HID for pcb? ;-)
They're both pretty bad. There
On Mon, 2009-01-26 at 20:42 -0500, DJ Delorie wrote:
I've wondered in the past.. would people (users / developers) object
to making the GTK HID for PCB more in line with gschem's GTK UI. (Or
vica versa)
Maybe we need a gschem HID for pcb? ;-)
I had wondered in the past, however;
I'd
If nonstandard accelerators are going to dominate gschem
and PCB, they could at least be confined to the left hand, so that you could
keep one hand on the mouse and one on the keyboard.
I use a IBM Track Point Keyboard on all of my machines.
These have the 'mouse' in the center of the
I have a couple of farthings to toss out.
The big fish in the eda pond isn't Eagle and it certainly isn't KiCAD.
It is ORCAD and Mentor Graphics. GEDA developers should be aware that
there are other fish out there but they/we should focus on our
strengths.
Yes geda is flexible and with each
On Jan 26, 2009, at 6:19 PM, Peter Clifton wrote:
On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 01:41 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote:
Thanks Stefan, Kai-Martin for translating those summaries.
Some of those were quite amusing.. it is interesting to read about
these
opinions - I don't think there is much there
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 01:30:20 +, Peter Clifton wrote:
I've wondered in the past.. would people (users / developers) object to
making the GTK HID for PCB more in line with gschem's GTK UI. (Or vica
versa)
Object? Did I miss a smiley? GUI differences in protel were minor
compared to
Peter Clifton wrote:
gschem and pcb havedifferent user interfaces, which you have to
learn.
Yup.
I've wondered in the past.. would people (users / developers) object to
making the GTK HID for PCB more in line with gschem's GTK UI. (Or vica
versa)
I already ported a similar looking
Ben Jackson wrote:
They're both pretty bad. There must be something about CAD programs that
leads to wacky user interfaces.
Interesting comment, in that on another list I was just in a discussion
about 2D drawing tools. I am a fan of QCad. Many people complain about
the strange UI on
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