Re: [Gendergap] Google Group invite

2014-11-30 Thread Risker
I got one and promptly unsubscribed. I don't do google groups, and every time someone has invited me to one, I've found they were not to my taste. Risker/Anne On 1 December 2014 at 02:08, Alison Cassidy wrote: > I didn't get one. Now, I feel cheated! :D > > -- Allie > > On Nov 30, 2014, a

Re: [Gendergap] Google Group invite

2014-11-30 Thread Alison Cassidy
I didn't get one. Now, I feel cheated! :D -- Allie > On Nov 30, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Leigh Honeywell wrote: > > Someone purporting to be Russavia appears to have added a number of people > from this list to a Google Group with a similar title to this list. Wearing > my mod hat, I just want

[Gendergap] Google Group invite

2014-11-30 Thread Leigh Honeywell
Someone purporting to be Russavia appears to have added a number of people from this list to a Google Group with a similar title to this list. Wearing my mod hat, I just want to be clear: this list isn't going anywhere, the Google Group is not WMF-sanctioned as far as I know, and scraping list memb

Re: [Gendergap] What's happening at ArbCom re WP:GGTF

2014-11-30 Thread Marie Earley
Thanks Sarah, Yes, they does seem to be a lot more of it lately. I also thought that discussion board stuff would die down. They got their pound of flesh and now they seem to want blood as well. I pretty much stayed off the boards but I was drawn in by a "Hey-let's-move-on" style opening post

Re: [Gendergap] What's happening at ArbCom re WP:GGTF

2014-11-30 Thread Sarah
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Marie Earley wrote: > In answer to your other questions: > * Please explain why this is relevant to the gender gap, since you are > sending it out to everyone on the gender gap mailing list? > - Please explain why you think it isn't relevant, since the opening li

Re: [Gendergap] coordination work off-wiki

2014-11-30 Thread Marie Earley
Reclaim the night have just celebrated their 10th anniversary here in the UK http://www.reclaimthenight.co.uk/ I like the idea, not sure what it would look like in practice. I can't help thinking we have them already with women's edit-a-thons. The thing that strikes me about them is they tend t

Re: [Gendergap] What's happening at ArbCom re WP:GGTF

2014-11-30 Thread Marie Earley
I'm getting my GG notifications through now. JJ Marr: Re: context, I was having trouble getting the GG e-mails so I couldn't hit reply and keep my messages in the same thread (although I did use the same title). It should have been the next message in this thread: https://lists.wikimedia.or

Re: [Gendergap] coordination work off-wiki

2014-11-30 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 11/30/2014 11:51 AM, Kathleen McCook wrote: The only solution would be lack of anonymity. That won't fly, but it would cause the creepiness to go away. I used to think that too. But some people don't care about people knowing who they are, what they think or who the mess with. I don't ca

Re: [Gendergap] coordination work off-wikie

2014-11-30 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 11/30/2014 1:36 PM, Risker wrote: Well, hold on. The content dispute that is being described is one that rages within the feminist community (note the lack of gender there - it encompasses people of all genders), and is not a male vs female thing. Often as not, it is women disagreeing on t

Re: [Gendergap] coordination work off-wikie

2014-11-30 Thread Kathleen McCook
This is just opinion. Thank you for ending the conversation. On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Risker wrote: > Well, hold on. The content dispute that is being described is one that > rages within the feminist community (note the lack of gender there - it > encompasses people of all genders), an

Re: [Gendergap] coordination work off-wikie

2014-11-30 Thread Risker
Well, hold on. The content dispute that is being described is one that rages within the feminist community (note the lack of gender there - it encompasses people of all genders), and is not a male vs female thing. Often as not, it is women disagreeing on the definitions amongst themselves. The sa

Re: [Gendergap] coordination work off-wiki

2014-11-30 Thread JJ Marr
You could go to Citizendium, considering that has a lack of anonymity and strict civility rules. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizendium http://citizendium.org/ On Nov 30, 2014 11:52 AM, "Kathleen McCook" wrote: > The only solution would be lack of anonymity. That won't fly, but it would > ca

[Gendergap] coordination work off-wiki

2014-11-30 Thread Kathleen McCook
The only solution would be lack of anonymity. That won't fly, but it would cause the creepiness to go away. On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 11:42 AM, JJ Marr wrote: > What do you propose a "take back the night" would be like? > On Nov 30, 2014 8:12 AM, "Kathleen McCook" wrote: > >> Yes, one can see eas

Re: [Gendergap] coordination work off-wikie

2014-11-30 Thread JJ Marr
What do you propose a "take back the night" would be like? On Nov 30, 2014 8:12 AM, "Kathleen McCook" wrote: > Yes, one can see easily how they move from topic to topic. Connected and > ensuring their POV dominates. > > The issue of feminism should not be defined by men whose motivation seems > t

Re: [Gendergap] What's happening at ArbCom re WP:GGTF

2014-11-30 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Carol Moore dc wrote: > my joke about the "systemic bias card" (which is evidence against me in > Arbitration!); > Yeah, this is one of the more bizarre diffs. I am glad a couple of arbitrators opposed on the basis of that. I would be even happier if it were st

Re: [Gendergap] What's happening at ArbCom re WP:GGTF

2014-11-30 Thread Carol Moore dc
Pulling out a couple of comments for reply from Marie's statement: On 11/30/2014 1:46 AM, Marie Earley wrote: .. In particular this comment: "...As has been indicated on the talk page of the proposed decision, /repeatedly,/ there is some question as to exactly /which/ women this group seems to

[Gendergap] coordination work off-wikie

2014-11-30 Thread Kathleen McCook
Yes, one can see easily how they move from topic to topic. Connected and ensuring their POV dominates. The issue of feminism should not be defined by men whose motivation seems to be to create an environment where women are "free" to be what they (the men discussed here ) imagine to us to be. I