Re: [Gendergap] More Dangerous to be a Woman Than a Soldier

Great. I'll take it. And just a plain old google search yields riches; http://www.google.com/search?q=rape+in+the+U.S.+military&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a books google even more. Of course, google news archives ain't what news google used to be ...sigh.

Re: [Gendergap] More Dangerous to be a Woman Than a Soldier

This is something that's been on my mental list of articles to write. Someday... "Rape in the U.S. Military" Just searched rape U.S. military in wikipedia and just a mention of Okinawa, not the horrific statistics. "Crime and U.S. military" (safer article to start with to avoid AfD) showed nothi

Re: [Gendergap] vulgar jokes and sexualized environments on Wikipedia

To beef up women's assertiveness so they protest, or to give more power to some authoritarian editors to delete and block reverters, that is the question. Why not do both?? :-) Or just get more assertive female admins. A job I myself shrink at the thought of. I already have enough problems ju

Re: [Gendergap] Gender neutrality template

There are other more powerful groups that would use the precedent to create a template that would censor a number of articles that already are heavily patrolled and censored by organized groups of editors (many of them surely paid, not that they'd ever admit it). Instead use the POV template a

Re: [Gendergap] Sue's new blog

Most of us don't have time to read through long email(s) and a long article trying to figure out what sentence or two someone claims is a lie. Not very useful to the discussion, not to mention civil. On 9/30/2011 5:49 AM, Béria Lima wrote: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011

Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

A bit less on nudity too which might appeal to/attract/encourage prurient interests under the guise of helpfulness ;-( On 9/27/2011 6:53 PM, Emily Monroe wrote: Hmm. Perhaps, Fred, perhaps. ;-) From, Emily On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Fred Bauder > wrote:

Re: [Gendergap] 13 year old joins WP Pornography?

For legal reasons you have to have a minimum age of 18 and kick off anyone who admits they are under 18 or are somehow exposed as being under 18. (Unless all those opposed want to put up their real names and addresses and personally claim full legal and financial responsibility for any crimina

[Gendergap] Wikiquotes

Looking at my wikiquotes talk page for the first time in a while, I was reminded that is another area women's contributions may not be taken as seriously. Example: the deletion in 2009 of poet Marcella Boccia's quotes from English wikipedia after her article had been deleted from En wikipedia.

Re: [Gendergap] Resolution:Images of identifiable people

Anyway they can italic or bold this Phrase: " in a private place or situation without permission." ?? On 9/12/2011 10:53 AM, Sydney Poore wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Sarah Stierch mailto:sarah.stie...@gmail.com>> wrote: I have no clue how I missed this (and perhaps it's been p

Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

Couple thoughts: *A few moderate Muslim editors chiming in on some of the things we don't like either on Wikipedia wouldn't hurt. *It would be nice if the most obvious of "corruption" of liberal or libertarian views wasn't lascivious female nudity; but even the Christian Conservatives have com

Re: [Gendergap] Calling all neutral user names She?

I used to use they, but with all these "she's" lately, and some editors calling her "he", I thought... why not. Someone mentioned privately http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-neutral_pronoun#Modern_solutions So options is best way to go, and let nature take its course as what seems most appro

Re: [Gendergap] Calling all neutral user names She?

Having just now read through a long paragraph on ANI of a user saying he or she and him or her about an editor, I say, for less complexities sake, let's do it. See what happens. On 9/8/2011 12:48 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote: I actually would love to follow the reactions of people when you call th

[Gendergap] Calling all neutral user names She?

Recently two users I thought were he's turned out to be she's. And then I identified a user with a neutral sounding name as a he - though looking again at name, probably is a she. Then it occurred to me, why assume they are male anyway? Why not call all neutral user names she from now on? He

Re: [Gendergap] Pregnancy article lead-image RFC

If someone wants to beat me to the punch, go for it. Hmmm, I know some feminist photographers In fact, a few of us probably do. What better consciousness raiser than a fact (or photo) on the ground that they then have to deal with?? On 9/6/2011 9:51 PM, Sarah wrote: > On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 1

Re: [Gendergap] Pregnancy article lead-image RFC

On 9/6/2011 5:18 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > I have to say that viewing pregnancy as a "medical article" seems to be > a rather male point of view :) I also find it telling that maternity > clothing isn't even mentioned in the article (but I guess that makes > sense if pregnant women don't wear cloth

Re: [Gendergap] an example of the "unwanted attention" problem

First, note per my last message on stalkers, obviously the other editors on the issue in question were assumed to be or admittedly male. I identify with below. Some women are just more diplomatic than we may be; others have unconsciously gotten into the habit of always apologizing for opining

Re: [Gendergap] an example of the "unwanted attention" problem

Hmmm. Looking at the edit summaries of talk pages of a couple of editors who write exclusively on the Israel-Palestine issue, as opposed to me who just gets sucked into a few specific articles over and over, usually BLP-related for individuals or organizations...I seem to have a lot more nasty

Re: [Gendergap] Girly articles or neutral articles with female contributors ?

The coverage reminds one also of the sexism that continues throughout the media... On 8/24/2011 1:31 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote: Arnaud, I'm assuming you're referring to the research that expresses that "girly stuff" like Sex in the City and make-up has poor coverage on Wikipedia. It's true, th

Re: [Gendergap] Just a few days into have the IRC channel

It sounds good for socializing, announcing and and brainstorming, but without archiving seems problematic for ongoing organizing. (I.e. task oriented people like me might not like it as much as social networking oriented people) On 8/24/2011 1:34 PM, Brandon Harris wrote: > > I think this

Re: [Gendergap] Just a few days into have the IRC channel

I confess, I'm not sure what IRC is and not enough info in the #address for me to get there easily. ;-( ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Back to Wikiquette alerts? Sigh...

I knew it was just a matter of time before I myself would have to go running to wikiquette alerts (assuming other editors also fed up with same individual(s) in article in question don't also denounce the incessant personal attacks by one editor on me). And this is an issue where two evidently

Re: [Gendergap] New Survey: 9% female editors

On 7/2/2011 12:34 PM, Casey Brown wrote: > On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 10:52 AM, wrote: >> I had a bit of trouble figuring out what the targets and strategy for >> increasing participation are, however. > The part you just pasted linked to >

[Gendergap] New Survey: 9% female editors

http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/06/10/wikipedia-editors-do-it-for-fun-first-results-of-our-2011-editor-survey/ Also, interesting statistics on ages, with 30 plus almost as large as 12-29 year olds. Plus this note: As has been discussed recently, it is an important priority for the Wikimedia m

[Gendergap] Dispute resolution noticeboard

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard This is a one month trial. Check it out. I don't think it can supplant wikiquette alerts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts_ But a possibly good option, if people keep on top of the discussion to prevent

Re: [Gendergap] Wikiquette alerts...As I was passing through...

Yes, fred we must put our time where our mouths are. By watching Wikiquette_alerts and by encouraging use of them. Where's the best newbie forum for that? Going through a variety of essays and putting in a plug also might help... It would be less manageable then - but then if enough people did it a

Re: [Gendergap] Wikiquette alerts...As I was passing through...

The below is a reminder of how useful it would be to put more emphasis on letting new editors know that Wikiquette Alerts exist, encouraging them to complain and then encouraging admins to just go to editors who attack others, even with minor snide remarks, and encourage them not to do it. Tha

Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

Guess we need lots more people on Commons, too, who do not tolerate bigotry towards women On 5/26/2011 8:01 PM, Béria Lima wrote: carol, en.wiki aproved that, Commons didn't. You can't use a rule from one wiki in another. IF - and that is a BIG if, if commons community approve such kind

Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

Racist, homophobic and anti-semitic comments are certainly criticized and people ask for their removal. A pattern of such comments could get one banned. The same should be true for obviously sexist comments. In fact, it's here See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civil#Identifying_incivili

Re: [Gendergap] Commons as an art gallery?

*puerile* - perfect! * A good long list makes the squeaky wheel loud and clear :-) On 5/16/2011 11:40 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > There is a long thread on the Commons and Gendergap lists about today's > featured image on Commons: > > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/commons-l/2011-May/ > http

Re: [Gendergap] Submissions 2 Wikimania 2011

The interface isn't too user friendly. Here's: * http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Schedule * http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania_2011 On 5/10/2011 10:12 AM, carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: Per http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Call_for_Participation#S

[Gendergap] Submissions 2 Wikimania 2011

Per http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Call_for_Participation#Submission It's not too late to submit related proposals to Wikimania, for those going. http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Submissions/ Is a list of current ones. __

Re: [Gendergap] Manifesto

On 3/24/2011 4:21 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote: > On Mar 24, 2011, at 1:11 PM, Joseph Reagle wrote: >> 1. Is this supposed to be a code of conduct for this list then? (That's how it strikes me. Why not call it a code of conduct then?) Also, on some set of Wiki pages? > > Let's keep in mind that the

Re: [Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia

I noticed that the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipe-tan just survived a second deletion attempt. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:Wikipe-tan_%282nd_nomination%29 The main Wikipe-tan image obviously should be the focus of *Change*. Obvi

Re: [Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Wikipe-tan Might be more appropriate. Ways of dealing with it: come up with much more appropriate and popular symbol widely disseminated. Come up with male and female wikipe-tans and put those up. Try to delete all the female only ones. On 3/20/

Re: [Gendergap] Outreach..was.. Proposal: Forking gendergap

On 3/17/2011 3:28 PM, Joseph Reagle wrote: > On Wednesday, March 16, 2011, you wrote: >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap/outreach_letters >> My first draft of any outreach email letter - which I sent an earlier > Good, thank you. > > I think it could be useful to provide some examples of

Re: [Gendergap] Outreach..was.. Proposal: Forking gendergap

On 3/17/2011 6:43 AM, elisabeth bauer wrote: > 2011/3/17 Carol Moore in DC: >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap/outreach_letters >> My first draft of any outreach email letter - which I sent an earlier >> version of to a bunch of women with no positive feedback. > What do you mean by this?

Re: [Gendergap] The problem is aggression.... was ... Proposal: Forking gendergap:

I don't have a problem with people starting an all women list specifically on this topic through whatever appropriate list serve service seems appropriate. It can make its own rules about participants. The impression I got was the proposal was to make *this* the all women list, which I oppose.

Re: [Gendergap] The problem is aggression.... was ... Proposal: Forking gendergap:

I second. The problem is aggression and trying to impose one's agenda, and whether you are male, female, M2F transgender or F2M transgender, you can be aggressive and disruptive. (And I've been on a couple all women lists over the years where M2F transgenders were very aggressive, condescending

Re: [Gendergap] Proposal: Forking gendergap: Main list for women and transgender, sublist for male supporters

Just to clarify, I think the list should remain mixed sex. But it is a problem when on a list dedicated to getting more women involved, men post two to four times as much as women (depending on the week), with some men posting a couple times a day. It can feel like the "same old same old" - esp

Re: [Gendergap] Proposal: Forking gendergap: Main list for women and transgender, sublist for male supporters

Yeah, George! A definite role model for the list; but with such a common sense attitude, you should feel free to post a tiny bit more :-) On 3/14/2011 8:33 PM, George Herbert wrote: > > I realize that my replying is in a sense violating what I'm about to > say below, but... > > I and some others

Re: [Gendergap] Proposal: Forking gendergap: Main list for women and transgender, sublist for male supporters

I never got a response from the wikichix list when tried to join. Here, I'd rather see the males control themselves and post less and the women encourage each other to participate more. :-) Smiley face added to make up for lack of interpersonal interface... carol in dc On 3/14/2011 11:37 PM, A

Re: [Gendergap] Barnstars!

I'd collected my favorite Barnstars and was trying to motivate myself to give out to a bunch of editors have associated with over time. Then Ryan made it so EASY and I went on a spree tonight. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_awards has a WikiProject Gender Studies Award "For

Re: [Gendergap] What motivates women to edit? ...Gendergap Digest, Vol 2, Issue 5

I hadn't thought of editing before until I saw an awful article on myself and on a group I was involved with, so I did start as activist promoting a cause in my first couple articles for the first year or so til I started to understand how wikipedia works. Another woman wrote on the facebook p

[Gendergap] What motivates women to edit??

What Motivates Women - especially to write and edit? I think finding motivations many women share and tapping into those to encourage women to start and keep editing is key to this project I'm an atypical task oriented political organizing/writing maniac, so I'm not the best judge :-) I know ma

Re: [Gendergap] Collaboration is the issue...A stereotype we should be careful about ...

First, in talking about male and female attitudes/behaviors we usually are talking overlapping Bell Curves, not either or, so stereotyping isn't necessarily the issue. The real problem is dominance-seeking behavior (mostly but not exclusively by males), which is the opposite of collaboration. E

Re: [Gendergap] Emails to friends, lists to encourage participation

Done! :-) Including adding the idea of suggesting articles... http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap/outreach_letters On 2/22/2011 4:46 PM, Sue Gardner wrote: > Carol, I think this is a great idea :-) > > I think we (anyone here) should create a page on meta (linked to from > here: http:/

Re: [Gendergap] Women's issues noticeboard

If a woman may speak... :-) The noticeboard IS too combative and won't have much positive effect *at this point. * Already I'm finding it difficult to bring up in a neutral manner ideas like putting Wife selling in category: sexism or creating more appopriate categories, like Category: Male do

[Gendergap] Emails to friends, lists to encourage participation

One thing we can all do is send letters of encouragement to women to join wikipedia. I don't know if there is a form letter already used that we can merge ideas like the below into. This is includes and expands on points I sent out to a couple of political women friends and womens lists - abo

Re: [Gendergap] Nine Reasons Women Don't Edit Wikipedia

On 2/20/2011 5:24 PM, Marc Riddell wrote: > Sue, as you know, this is the area of my greatest concern regarding the > future of the Wikipedia Project. The gender gap is a part of the larger > problem you described above: That of a combative, hostile and defensive > culture that presents an unchecke