[Gendergap] Reframing...Re: Wikimedia Conference (was - Diversity training forfunctionaries)

2014-12-30 Thread Carol Moore dc
This point is so important I gave it its own subject line. Perhaps this language can be worked into the statement of purpose of all the WMF Gender gap projects... I also think Kerry should turn her whole excellent statement into an essay for the WMF site and it should be linked from GGTF

Re: [Gendergap] Reframing...Re: Wikimedia Conference (was - Diversity training forfunctionaries)

2014-12-30 Thread Jane Darnell
Hmm. I stopped editing the Dutch Wikipedia because it just wasn't any fun anymore. I would never say I experienced barriers to entry or that there were barriers to continued participation. It is more that there was a continuous vacuum of silence that made participation feel like I was on an island

Re: [Gendergap] Reframing...Re: Wikimedia Conference (was - Diversity training forfunctionaries)

2014-12-30 Thread Carol Moore dc
Good points, Jane Part of a hostile editing environment is the either they ignore you or they insult you phenomena. I'm sure a lot of women do quit for just the reason Jane describes - being ignored. I got that quoted phrase from a woman complaining about it in some mainstream article a few

Re: [Gendergap] Reframing...Re: Wikimedia Conference (was - Diversity training forfunctionaries)

2014-12-30 Thread Jane Darnell
I do call the Dutch Wikipedia a hostile editing environment, but I am not convinced that environment is more hostile to women than to men. It is decidedly hostile to all newcomers and all outsiders, where I would consider outsiders to be people who make edits less often than once per month. I

Re: [Gendergap] Reframing...Re: Wikimedia Conference (was - Diversity training forfunctionaries)

2014-12-30 Thread Jane Darnell
Sorry to read that, Sarah. But maybe you just need a new project! I must admit I make way more edits on Wikidata than anywhere else these days - I believe that is where I can make the most effective contribution. I can't resist writing articles on Wikipedia now and then though. On Tue, Dec 30,

Re: [Gendergap] Reframing...Re: Wikimedia Conference (was - Diversity training forfunctionaries)

2014-12-30 Thread Sarah Stierch
Wikidata is the bommbbb!! :) On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry to read that, Sarah. But maybe you just need a new project! I must admit I make way more edits on Wikidata than anywhere else these days - I believe that is where I can make the

Re: [Gendergap] Reframing...Re: Wikimedia Conference (was - Diversity training forfunctionaries)

2014-12-30 Thread Jane Darnell
totally! On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 8:04 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: Wikidata is the bommbbb!! :) On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry to read that, Sarah. But maybe you just need a new project! I must admit I make way more