Project descriptors (was Re: [RT] href considered harmful)

2004-03-25 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Leo Simons wrote: I suggest we move to strike and loudly proclaim descriptors not living in gump CVS as harmful. Their use needs to be *strongly* discouraged from now on. Who's with me? I agree with you as a general principle. Too bad that the entire cocoon build syste

Re: cvs@gump.apache.org?

2004-03-25 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Leo Simons wrote: Hi gang, how do you feel about setting up [EMAIL PROTECTED] for all change notifications? The list is getting crowded :D +1 -- Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] - verba volant, scripta manent - (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)

Re: cvs commit: gump/project jrefactory.xml

2004-03-25 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Antoine Lévy-Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > collect.jar in jrefactory is not common-collections from apache Looks like the collection classes for JDK 1.1. Probably unneeded when using a JVM 1.2+ - and thus for us. Cheers Stefan --

last night's build on lsd

2004-03-25 Thread Antoine Lévy-Lambert
It looks like the gump run did not work on lsd last night. I did not have a look to find out what has gone on. (the html pages on lsd are of yesterday, the email all dressed up with nowhere to go did not get sent either) Cheers, Antoine -

cvs commit: gump/project avalon.xml

2004-03-25 Thread mcconnell
mcconnell2004/03/25 03:24:49 Modified:project avalon.xml Log: Correct package name for the avalon logging impl package. Revision ChangesPath 1.44 +1 -1 gump/project/avalon.xml Index: avalon.xml

cvs commit: gump/project avalon.xml

2004-03-25 Thread mcconnell
mcconnell2004/03/25 03:26:12 Modified:project avalon.xml Log: Fix avalon meta impl package name. Revision ChangesPath 1.45 +1 -1 gump/project/avalon.xml Index: avalon.xml === RCS file: /ho

cvs commit: gump/profile gump.xml

2004-03-25 Thread mcconnell
mcconnell2004/03/25 05:15:59 Modified:profile gump.xml Log: Add the avalon-legacy.xml project. Revision ChangesPath 1.329 +2 -1 gump/profile/gump.xml Index: gump.xml === RCS file: /home/cvs

Cocoon not picking up framework api

2004-03-25 Thread Stephen McConnell
Seems like the cocoon core build is not picking up the avalon-framework-api. cannot resolve symbol [javac] symbol : class CascadingThrowable [javac] location: package framework [javac] import org.apache.avalon.framework.CascadingThrowable; http://gump.covalent.net/log/cocoon.html

Re: last night's build on lsd

2004-03-25 Thread Adam Jack
> It looks like the gump run did not work on lsd last night. I did not > have a look to find out what has gone on. > (the html pages on lsd are of yesterday, the email all dressed up with > nowhere to go did not get sent either) Yeah, it seems not. I don't know if this is related, but I had woes

cvs commit: gump gumpy.py

2004-03-25 Thread ajack
ajack 2004/03/25 07:16:07 Modified:.gumpy.py Log: Try to avoid death by hangup (catch SIGHUP). Revision ChangesPath 1.12 +13 -0 gump/gumpy.py Index: gumpy.py === RCS file: /home/cv

cvs commit: gump/python/gump integrate.py

2004-03-25 Thread ajack
ajack 2004/03/25 07:16:07 Modified:python/gump integrate.py Log: Try to avoid death by hangup (catch SIGHUP). Revision ChangesPath 1.25 +12 -0 gump/python/gump/integrate.py Index: integrate.py =

Re: cvs@gump.apache.org?

2004-03-25 Thread Adam Jack
> > how do you feel about setting up [EMAIL PROTECTED] for all change > > notifications? +0 regards Adam - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: last night's build on lsd

2004-03-25 Thread Adam Jack
> Yeah, it seems not. I don't know if this is related, but I had woes trying > to run/test Gump on my VM server Gump-box yesterday also. Basically the poor > box swapped itself to death, in part 'cos forrest grew so large. The xdocs > were written, but the forrest site wasn't generated. I wonder if

cvs commit: gump/template/forrest/src/documentation/content/xdocs site.xml

2004-03-25 Thread ajack
ajack 2004/03/25 07:28:52 Modified:python/gump/document forrest.py template/forrest/src/documentation/content/xdocs site.xml Log: Remove 'notesLog' page, in case it is causing Forrest to spin/grow. Revision ChangesPath 1.116 +42 -42gump/python/gum

Re: last night's build on lsd

2004-03-25 Thread Leo Simons
I just rebooted (remotely via ssh, took ages). Things seem alright now. Poor machine :D -- cheers, - Leo Simons --- Weblog -- http://leosimons.com/ IoC Component Glue -- http://jicarilla.org/ Articles & Opinions --

[jira] Commented: (GUMP-34) Upgrade JDK on lsd to java 1.4.2_04

2004-03-25 Thread jira
The following comment has been added to this issue: Author: Leo Simons Created: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 8:32 AM Body: the release notes page says the following: --- Documentation Java[tm] 2 SDK, Standard Edition Version 1.4.2_03 (Microsoft Windows, Linux, and Solaris Operating Envirnome

[jira] Commented: (GUMP-34) Upgrade JDK on lsd to java 1.4.2_04

2004-03-25 Thread jira
The following comment has been added to this issue: Author: Leo Simons Created: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 8:37 AM Body: installed. JAVA_HOME changed to /usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2_03 I updated /data3/gump/gump-install/local-env-py.sh but I'm not sure that's the right file to update. I hope so.

[jira] Work Started: (GUMP-34) Upgrade JDK on lsd to java 1.4.2_04

2004-03-25 Thread jira
Message: Work on this issue has been started by Leo Simons (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) - View the issue: http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ViewIssue.jspa?key=GUMP-34 Here is an overview of the issue: -

[jira] Work Stopped: (GUMP-34) Upgrade JDK on lsd to java 1.4.2_04

2004-03-25 Thread jira
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[jira] Closed: (GUMP-24) Make gump build directories accessible through web browser

2004-03-25 Thread jira
Message: The following issue has been closed. Resolver: Leo Simons Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 8:39 AM after some more talk on the mailing list, it came up that this is distribution of software, often without paying due respect to license requirements for distribution. So that's a no-c

[jira] Work Started: (GUMP-25) document actual gump installations

2004-03-25 Thread jira
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[Gump Wiki] Updated: FrontPage

2004-03-25 Thread general
Date: 2004-03-25T08:41:05 Editor: 130.89.169.128 <> Wiki: Gump Wiki Page: FrontPage URL: http://wiki.apache.org/gump/FrontPage no comment Change Log: -- @@ -26,6 +26,9 @@ '''GumpCommandLineOptions'''

[Gump Wiki] New: GumpInfrastructure

2004-03-25 Thread general
Date: 2004-03-25T08:49:28 Editor: 130.89.169.128 <> Wiki: Gump Wiki Page: GumpInfrastructure URL: http://wiki.apache.org/gump/GumpInfrastructure no comment New Page: == Gump on lsd.student.utwente.nl == [http://lsd.student.utwente.nl/ lsd] is currently the main installation fo

[jira] Work Stopped: (GUMP-25) document actual gump installations

2004-03-25 Thread jira
Message: Work on this issue has been stopped by Leo Simons (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) - View the issue: http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ViewIssue.jspa?key=GUMP-25 Here is an overview of the issue: -

[jira] Commented: (GUMP-25) document actual gump installations

2004-03-25 Thread jira
The following comment has been added to this issue: Author: Leo Simons Created: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 8:50 AM Body: http://wiki.apache.org/gump/GumpInfrastructure - View this comment: http://issues.apache.org/jira/se

[jira] Assigned: (GUMP-25) document actual gump installations

2004-03-25 Thread jira
Message: The following issue has been re-assigned. Assignee: (mailto:) - View the issue: http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ViewIssue.jspa?key=GUMP-25 Here is an overview of the issue:

Re: nagoya much slower again...

2004-03-25 Thread Adam Jack
Who's Gump in whose account? Sam's? Is anybody aware of the outputs, let alone using them? I don't think folks have had access to the outputs (that they've known about) in forever. http://gump.apache.org/#Where+is+Gump%3F regards Adam - Original Message - From: "Noel J. Bergman" <[E

RE: nagoya much slower again...

2004-03-25 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> Who's Gump in whose account? Sam's? Is anybody aware of the outputs, let > alone using them? Sam, and ask him. :-) --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED

Which gump on the new machines?

2004-03-25 Thread Sam Ruby
OK, it looks like there may be a new ASF hosted machine or two running gump in the next 24 or so hours. Which gump should be run on it? I'm willing to take the lead in getting it up and running, or simply suggest it be turned over to somebody who wishes to volunteer. Once it is up and running

Re: nagoya much slower again...

2004-03-25 Thread Sam Ruby
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Who's Gump in whose account? Sam's? Is anybody aware of the outputs, let alone using them? Sam, and ask him. :-) The outputs (in terms of reports indicating what worked and what did not) are directly linked to from gump.apache.org. Click on "Nagoya". In any case, I've co

Re: Which gump on the new machines?

2004-03-25 Thread Adam Jack
> OK, it looks like there may be a new ASF hosted machine or two running > gump in the next 24 or so hours. Which gump should be run on it? Which? As in traditioanl verse Python? I think concensus has been Python for a while. We have a README in /usr/local/gump on moof, ought I post it here for

Re: Which gump on the new machines?

2004-03-25 Thread Adam Jack
> > We have a README in /usr/local/gump on moof, ought I post it here for folks? > I can't get there this mo, and my eyebrowse search isn't bringing up when I > posted it before. It has the steps involved. > A google search found me this: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg00487

cvs commit: gump/project antworks-antlets.xml

2004-03-25 Thread nickchalko
nickchalko2004/03/25 11:13:45 Added: project antworks-antlets.xml Log: Added antlets. PR: Obtained from: Submitted by: Reviewed by: CVS: -- CVS: PR: CVS: If this change addresses a PR in

cvs commit: gump/project antworks-antlets.xml

2004-03-25 Thread nickchalko
nickchalko2004/03/25 11:14:42 Modified:project antworks-antlets.xml Log: Formated Revision ChangesPath 1.2 +10 -27gump/project/antworks-antlets.xml Index: antworks-antlets.xml === RCS fil

cvs commit: gump/project antworks-importer.xml

2004-03-25 Thread nickchalko
nickchalko2004/03/25 11:15:04 Modified:project antworks-importer.xml Log: Formated Revision ChangesPath 1.6 +12 -26gump/project/antworks-importer.xml Index: antworks-importer.xml === RCS

Re: Which gump on the new machines?

2004-03-25 Thread Sam Ruby
Adam Jack wrote: OK, it looks like there may be a new ASF hosted machine or two running gump in the next 24 or so hours. Which gump should be run on it? Which? As in traditioanl verse Python? I think concensus has been Python for a while. Just checking... We have a README in /usr/local/gump on m

Gump Thrashing/Spinning...

2004-03-25 Thread Adam Jack
I've been trying to run some quick jobs (a check.py not an integrate.py) to try to get insight into this problem. I'm finding (at least on my machine) that forrest is growing to huge size, and getting bogged down in swapping. I can't say this with certainty, but I feel that both Python and Java de

Re: Gump Thrashing/Spinning...

2004-03-25 Thread Leo Simons
Adam Jack wrote: Whatever the cause, I am really starting to get 'done' with forrest. I support it's use, I introduced it & have dealt with the issues and built workarounds from day one, but it is hard work w/ no fun. I remember that feeling. I like the forrest project and I like the forrest devs

Re: Gump Thrashing/Spinning...

2004-03-25 Thread Sam Ruby
Leo Simons wrote: We should probably use a template engine. I'm sure there's a python equivalent for something like velocity (or smarty). http://www.cheetahtemplate.org/ I use it in my weblogging software. - Sam Ruby - To uns

Re: last night's build on lsd

2004-03-25 Thread Antoine Lévy-Lambert
Adam Jack wrote: I hate to say it, but sometime we really 'pay' (in terms of workarounds, outages, time delays) for the decisions to go with forrest. I don't know if we ought consider it 'yet another Gump stress test' and keep it, but I am starting to think more and more of writing HTML pages di

Re: Gump Thrashing/Spinning...

2004-03-25 Thread matthew.hawthorne
I wonder if we ought consider replacing Forrest with a pure Python HTML producer. As above, I can't prove that forrest is the problem, but a pure Python solution might just halve the unknowns. I've been using Python to generate HTML from XML via XSL for a few weeks now using 4suite. I'm fairly ne

Generating HTML (was Gump Threashing/Spinning)

2004-03-25 Thread Adam Jack
> We should probably use a template engine. I'm sure there's a python > equivalent for something like velocity (or smarty). First, I like the dynamic 'tree of nodes' based approach to writing HTML/XML, rather than template -- in the main because of pleasant experiences with the Perl modules for t

Re: Generating HTML (was Gump Threashing/Spinning)

2004-03-25 Thread Nick Chalko
Perhaps we should run cocoon/fforrest live and just update the xdocs underneath? Adam Jack wrote: We should probably use a template engine. I'm sure there's a python equivalent for something like velocity (or smarty). First, I like the dynamic 'tree of nodes' based approach to writing HTML/

Re: Generating HTML (was Gump Threashing/Spinning)

2004-03-25 Thread Leo Simons
Adam Jack wrote: We should probably use a template engine. I'm sure there's a python equivalent for something like velocity (or smarty). First, I like the dynamic 'tree of nodes' based approach to writing HTML/XML, rather than template I like merging the concepts. Once you've built the tree, flatte

[RT] Gump Architecture

2004-03-25 Thread Leo Simons
Remember my jira entry screaming for architecture. Here's some thoughts. This is the big abstract braindump I hope some people will understand. Producing an RT a day...yep, I spend a lot of time thinking about this atm :D == Traditional Gump == Traditional gump has this archite

Re: [RT] Gump Architecture

2004-03-25 Thread Nick Chalko
Leo Simons wrote: As for the buzzwords...let's create an action-based, data-centric, graph-based, versioning-enabled, highly componentized, extensible, continous integration system. I have no idea how to do any of that in python, but it sounds like fun to find out.. I had thought of usi

Re: Gump Thrashing/Spinning...

2004-03-25 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Adam Jack wrote: I've been trying to run some quick jobs (a check.py not an integrate.py) to try to get insight into this problem. I'm finding (at least on my machine) that forrest is growing to huge size, and getting bogged down in swapping. I can't say this with certainty, but I feel that both P

Re: [RT] Gump Architecture

2004-03-25 Thread Michael Davey
Nick Chalko wrote: I had thought of using a event / black board system to support a distributed gump. Using something like javaspaces. [snip workflow] This is a radically change but much more scalable. Wow, what a [RT]! I think this is a fantastic idea. It might be worth taking a look at JXTA

Re: Generating HTML (was Gump Threashing/Spinning)

2004-03-25 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Leo Simons wrote: Now Gump generates it's xdocs using an object tree structure. Watching the python memory grow from 20M (after loading all XML) to 136M (during generating these pages) it has some sort of leak (actual or effective) ouch! Maybe it would pay off to use pipelining (you know, SAX,

Re: Gump Thrashing/Spinning...

2004-03-25 Thread Nick Chalko
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Adam Jack wrote: Two possible solutions here: 1) use forrest as a dynamic application 2) have HTML generate by python I would go for 1) since it would keep us the ability to do dynamic stuff like metadata manipulation. I volunteer to setup 1) +1 for dynamic forrest.

Re: [RT] Gump Architecture

2004-03-25 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Leo Simons wrote: (did I mention I'm an avalon guy? :D) did I mention that Avalon is dying out of flexibility cancer? Dude, let's just fix things incrementally. Lazyness is a virtue and Darwin is your man. -- Stefano. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Re: Gump Thrashing/Spinning...

2004-03-25 Thread Adam Jack
> > 1) use forrest as a dynamic application First, what do you mean by this, please? For those of us who don't know, could somebody elaborate? Second, I think it is forrest that is where we are getting stuck right now. Now sure why, but it is locking up. So, if we want forest, we have to figure

Re: [RT] Gump Architecture

2004-03-25 Thread Stephen McConnell
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Leo Simons wrote: (did I mention I'm an avalon guy? :D) did I mention that Avalon is dying out of flexibility cancer? Yes Stafano ... I've been watching your predications. Stephen. -- || | Magic by Merlin

About ForrestCocoon was: Gump Thrashing/Spinning...

2004-03-25 Thread Nick Chalko
Forrest uses cocoon (http://cocoon.apache.org/2.0/) Which is a servlet that does xml pipelines XML -> transform -> transform --> xml (or whatever) out. Along with caching all kinds of other cool stuff. That is what you get when you use the "forrest run" command Because many, many of our pages a

Re: Generating HTML (was Gump Threashing/Spinning)

2004-03-25 Thread Adam Jack
> > First, I like the dynamic 'tree of nodes' based approach to writing > > HTML/XML, rather than template > > I like merging the concepts. Once you've built the tree, flatten the > part of it that will make up the page, and feed that to the template > engine. Even if you don't use a template engin

Re: Gump Thrashing/Spinning...

2004-03-25 Thread Michael Davey
Adam Jack wrote: [snip] I think it is forrest that is where we are getting stuck right now. Now sure why, but it is locking up. So, if we want forest, we have to figure out how to get inside that problem. Which version are you using? Probably coincidence, but I recently stopped using CVS HEA

cvs commit: gump/python/gump/document forrest.py

2004-03-25 Thread ajack
ajack 2004/03/25 18:27:15 Modified:python/gump/document forrest.py Log: Comment recent additions out, in case they are the cause for forrest spinning... Revision ChangesPath 1.117 +16 -13gump/python/gump/document/forrest.py Index: forrest.py =

Re: Gump Thrashing/Spinning...

2004-03-25 Thread Adam Jack
Unfortunately we are stuck with a recent CVS HEAD, if not latest, due to some features in the skin. We can't go back to a release. FWIIW: The release we have has been working for the last month or so, something just changed and dorked it. regards Adam - Original Message - From: "Michael

cvs commit: gump/python/gump/document xdoc.py

2004-03-25 Thread ajack
ajack 2004/03/25 21:30:57 Modified:python/gump/document xdoc.py Log: Add unlink() to try to clean up & avoid circular links. Revision ChangesPath 1.19 +18 -4 gump/python/gump/document/xdoc.py Index: xdoc.py ===

Re: Which gump on the new machines?

2004-03-25 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, Adam Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Which? As in traditioanl verse Python? I think concensus has been > Python for a while. +1 Stefan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands,

Re: [RT] Gump Architecture

2004-03-25 Thread Leo Simons
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Leo Simons wrote: (did I mention I'm an avalon guy? :D) did I mention that Avalon is dying out of flexibility cancer? nope, and you shouldn't over here, wrong list :D Dude, let's just fix things incrementally. well, "duh" :D. No one said anything about development process

Re: Cocoon not picking up framework api

2004-03-25 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, Stephen McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Seems like the cocoon core build is not picking up the > avalon-framework-api. It does, but the jar file doesn't contain the CascadingThrowable class. Let's see [EMAIL PROTECTED] gump]$ find /javastuff/gump/avalon* -name Cascad