[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Jan 14 23:45:31 EST 2004

2004-01-14 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS: -*-indented-text-*- Last modified at [$Date: 2003/11/11 00:01:00 $] Web site: http://Incubator.Apache.Org/ Wiki page: http://Nagoya.Apache.Org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ApacheIncubatorProjectPages [note: the Web site is the 'official' documenta

RE: [RT] Learning from the facts ( Re: Undermining the Incubator )

2004-01-14 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Nicola Ken wrote: > MHO is that we do not require that a project be "under" the Incubator > urls and resources. This was said to ensure that they don't misuse the > "regular" Apache brand, but if it remains "outside" of Apache during > Incubation, the problem is equally solved. Not for developmen

Re: [RT] Learning from the facts ( Re: Undermining the Incubator )

2004-01-14 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:28:42 -0500 Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: > > I'm still completely unclear what objection Andy is raising. > being completely serious, i think andy is not being entirely > rational on the subject. he is/was violently opposed to geronimo, Okay. This sentence really makes se

Re: [RT] Learning from the facts ( Re: Undermining the Incubator )

2004-01-14 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Rich Bowen wrote: > > I'm still completely unclear what objection Andy is raising. being completely serious, i think andy is not being entirely rational on the subject. he is/was violently opposed to geronimo, apparently has a deep and abiding dislike of anything whatsoever that he considers to

Re: [RT] Learning from the facts ( Re: Undermining the Incubator )

2004-01-14 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 08:20:26 -0500 (EST) Rich Bowen wrote: > When a skilled worker goes to work for a new company, they go through a > period of probation to ensure that they fit in the new company. This > does not question their skills, it merely ensures that the person fits > into the new compan

Re: [VOTE] Granting committer status to log4net developers

2004-01-14 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: > > Eh. I think community doesn't matter at all when the Incubator is > simply performing accountable legal oversight. If a TLP says they want > a codebase from the outside, and we have determined that there are no > legal impediments to that codebase from entering th

RE: [VOTE] Granting committer status to log4net developers

2004-01-14 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Ceki, > I still don't know where the STATUS file should be placed. AIUI, these documents should be checked into the Incubator CVS module under http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/incubator/site/projects/. When they are successful, they get moved one level down. Keeping them in one place makes the

Re: [VOTE] graduate MerlinDeveloper from incubation

2004-01-14 Thread Alex Karasulu
+1 to allow MerlinDeveloper release to Avalon > > From: Leo Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2004/01/14 Wed PM 03:17:34 EST > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [VOTE] graduate MerlinDeveloper from incubation > > With respect to IP, we now have a software grant, and since Avalon now > plans to

Re: [VOTE] Granting committer status to log4net developers

2004-01-14 Thread Leo Simons
Ceki Gülcü wrote: Given that no one has yet answered, probably my question was silly. nah, the subject line threw me off...I suspect many people are ignoring the rest of the thread :D However, I still don't know where the STATUS file should be placed. according to incubator policy, inside incubat

RE: [VOTE] Granting committer status to log4net developers

2004-01-14 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Hello, Given that no one has yet answered, probably my question was silly. However, I still don't know where the STATUS file should be placed. Can we have it placed within the Logging Services site? TIA, At 02:01 PM 1/14/2004 +0100, you wrote: At 08:01 PM 1/13/2004 -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote:

Re: [VOTE] graduate MerlinDeveloper from incubation

2004-01-14 Thread Erik Abele
On 14.01.2004, at 21:17, Leo Simons wrote: Please place your votes: [X] +1 -- yes [ ] ±0 -- abstain [ ] -1 -- no Cheers, Erik - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [VOTE] graduate MerlinDeveloper from incubation

2004-01-14 Thread Roy T. Fielding
+1 Roy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [VOTE] graduate MerlinDeveloper from incubation

2004-01-14 Thread Rich Bowen
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Leo Simons wrote: > I propose we release MerlinDeveloper from incubation and allow avalon to > import the code. > > Please place your votes: > [X] +1 -- yes [ ] ±0 -- abstain [ ] -1 -- no -- Rich Bowen - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Apache Administrators Handbook - http://apacheadmi

RE: [VOTE] graduate MerlinDeveloper from incubation

2004-01-14 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> detailed report: > http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL PROTECTED] .org&msgNo=3145 > I propose we release MerlinDeveloper from incubation and > allow avalon to import the code. [X] +1 -- yes [ ] ±0 -- abstain [ ] -1 -- no Reminder to Avalon to make sure to reference the licenses for the O

[VOTE] graduate MerlinDeveloper from incubation

2004-01-14 Thread Leo Simons
With respect to IP, we now have a software grant, and since Avalon now plans to also make the contributor a Committer, so we also have a CLA. So we've got both. Several people have reviewed the code scrutinously. I wrote a detailed report: http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL PROTECTED]&m

Re: Undermining the Incubator

2004-01-14 Thread Brian Behlendorf
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: > On Jan 13, 2004, at 7:33 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > > As I understand it, if we receive a signed CLA or Software Grant, > > there is a > > presumption that they had the right to provide it. > > Yes, because it would be fraud otherwise on the part

Re: an Incubator case study

2004-01-14 Thread Alex Karasulu
Agreed! Without process at this scale we're extremely suseptable to chaos. Apache's future progress will revolve around embracing the process. Without it we're in trouble. Also keep in mind that when you start following a process its only hard working with it for a few runs where you need to a

Re: [RT] Learning from the facts ( Re: Undermining the Incubator )

2004-01-14 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Rich Bowen wrote: ... Perhaps a practical solution here is to strongly encourage mature projects to remain entirely outside the Apache infrastructure during this period. That allows them to continue functioning as a mature project, and not in any way be hindered by the move until such time as there

Re: [RT] Learning from the facts ( Re: Undermining the Incubator )

2004-01-14 Thread Rich Bowen
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > >* Hurts already healthy communities by putting them back into an alphaish > >state. > ... > > If I had a mature project ready for production which had been so for > > a number of years and then I said "I want to be part of Apache" You'd > > pu

RE: [VOTE] Granting committer status to log4net developers

2004-01-14 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 08:01 PM 1/13/2004 -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Ceki Gülcü wrote: > It would helpful if the purpose of the Incubator was clarified. If > it is an inspection tool, then it should not be disguised as a > service. Nutshell: the purpose of the Incubator is to help bring projects into the ASF, whi

Re: Undermining the Incubator

2004-01-14 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
On Jan 13, 2004, at 7:33 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Andrew C. Oliver wrote: All legal matters are for the Board and the Foundation's attorneys to address. Regarding audits ... There is a presumption of innocence in our legal system. I do not believe that due diligence requires an a priori pres

an Incubator case study

2004-01-14 Thread Leo Simons
Hi gang, The avalon project is currently merging an externally developed codebase, "MerlinDeveloper", with an internally developed codebase that has the same goals. The codebase is about 60 files. We found some licensing issues when we started incubation (referenced LGPL code, wrong license he

[RT] Learning from the facts ( Re: Undermining the Incubator )

2004-01-14 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Trying to get constructive on this, by basing the replies on *facts*, and not opinions taken from an experience done long ago. First of all, let me remove the false statements: Andrew C. Oliver wrote: The project must vote (or at least should). The Incubator PMC must vote. The accepting project

Re: [VOTE] Granting committer status to log4net developers

2004-01-14 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
On Jan 12, 2004, at 1:05 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Ceki Gülcü wrote: All the developers who have expressed an opinion on the matter so far were inclined to have separate repositories with separate access rights. The exact internal organization of the Logging Services is something that should be