RE: svn commit: r178965 - /incubator/public/trunk/site-author/learn/newcommitters.html

2005-07-06 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 10:24 PM 7/6/2005, Noel J. Bergman wrote: >Notice that Roy said legal AND public. Haven't you ever noticed the seeming >disconnect between having the discussion (and vote) in private, and the >instructions to the PMC that they should send a link to the vote thread as >part of the account reque

Re: svn commit: r178965 - /incubator/public/trunk/site-author/learn/newcommitters.html

2005-07-06 Thread David Crossley
Noel J. Bergman wrote: > David Crossley wrote: > > > Roy T. Fielding wrote: > > > [snip]... What the vote does is three things: > > > 1) it provides a legally binding, public decision of the project; > > > I am confused by that statement. We conduct our committer votes on > > the project's priv

[Fwd: [VOTE] Add Øyvind Bakksjø as a Derby committer]

2005-07-06 Thread Daniel John Debrunner
One more commiter vote notification to general@incubator.apache.org Dan. Original Message Subject: [VOTE] Add Øyvind Bakksjø as a Derby committer Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 07:50:17 -0700 From: Daniel John Debrunner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Derby Development To: derby-dev Pl

[Fwd: [VOTE] Add Bernt M Johnsen as a Derby committer]

2005-07-06 Thread Daniel John Debrunner
After re-reading the Incubator's new committer document, I think I need to send this committer vote notice to the general incubator list. [ reference http://incubator.apache.org/learn/newcommitters.html ] Dan. Original Message Subject: [VOTE] Add Bernt M Johnsen as a Derby comm

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Jul 6 23:46:27 2005

2005-07-06 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS: -*-indented-text-*- Last modified at [$Date: 2005-01-20 01:12:13 -0500 (Thu, 20 Jan 2005) $] Web site: http://Incubator.Apache.Org/ Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ [note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki

Re: svn commit: r178965 - /incubator/public/trunk/site-author/learn/newcommitters.html

2005-07-06 Thread Daniel John Debrunner
Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Ken expressed concern: > > Please note that the text did offer either approach as acceptable, and up to > each PMC, so I am not entirely sure of the real point of contention. If the > PMC prefers one over the other, use it. But only one is described as '... Best Practi

RE: svn commit: r178965 - /incubator/public/trunk/site-author/learn/newcommitters.html

2005-07-06 Thread Noel J. Bergman
David Crossley wrote: > Roy T. Fielding wrote: > > [snip]... What the vote does is three things: > > 1) it provides a legally binding, public decision of the project; > I am confused by that statement. We conduct our committer votes on > the project's private mailing list > Is that not legal?

RE: svn commit: r178965 - /incubator/public/trunk/site-author/learn/newcommitters.html

2005-07-06 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Ken expressed concern: > The candidate is now in the position of being privately > blessed but publicly vilified. And this will differ how from an announcement that someone has been accepted as a Committer, and people who did not participate in the private vote expressing their views anyway? > O

Re: svn commit: r178965 - /incubator/public/trunk/site-author/learn/newcommitters.html

2005-07-06 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 02:49 AM 7/6/2005, David Crossley wrote: >Roy T. Fielding wrote: >> >> [snip]... What the vote does is three things: >> >> 1) it provides a legally binding, public decision of the project; > >I am confused by that statement. We conduct our committer votes on >the project's private mailing li

Re: svn commit: r178965 - /incubator/public/trunk/site-author/learn/newcommitters.html

2005-07-06 Thread Ted Husted
On 7/2/05, Niclas Hedhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sunday 03 July 2005 04:44, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: > > This last bit troubles me a bit. I can't say I've seen this 're-emergence' > > but that's probably my shortcoming in not tracking discussions. > > I second that having "shadow pl

Re: svn commit: r178965 - /incubator/public/trunk/site-author/learn/newcommitters.html

2005-07-06 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Roy T. Fielding wrote: > > That doesn't happen -- discussion takes place in private before > the vote even starts, just like it did in the old Apache Group. Oh, perhaps you're assuming that the only people permitted to participate in the 'pro forma' vote are th

Re: svn commit: r178965 - /incubator/public/trunk/site-author/learn/newcommitters.html

2005-07-06 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Roy T. Fielding wrote: > On Jul 2, 2005, at 1:44 PM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: >> I don't like the idea of discussions about people's merit (or the >> people >> themselves, for that matter) happening in public right in their faces. > > That doesn't happen

Re: svn commit: r178965 - /incubator/public/trunk/site-author/learn/newcommitters.html

2005-07-06 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wednesday 06 July 2005 15:49, David Crossley wrote: > Roy T. Fielding wrote: > > [snip]... What the vote does is three things: > > > >   1) it provides a legally binding, public decision of the project; > > I am confused by that statement. We conduct our committer votes on > the project's privat

Re: Preferred list for Commiter Votes

2005-07-06 Thread David Crossley
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Re: svn commit: r178965 - /incubator/public/trunk/site-author/learn/newcommitters.html

2005-07-06 Thread David Crossley
Roy T. Fielding wrote: > > [snip]... What the vote does is three things: > > 1) it provides a legally binding, public decision of the project; I am confused by that statement. We conduct our committer votes on the project's private mailing list, following a procedure that our PMC has agreed up