Re: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate Wicket

2006-08-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On 8/3/06, Alex Karasulu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > ...BTW, if it's useful I'd be happy to help as an additional mentor... ...We welcome you. There can never be enough mentors. ok, so feel free to add my name to the list! -Bertrand -

Re: Heraldry committers left off of initial proposal

2006-08-03 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 8/3/06, Ted Leung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've been told that three contributors to the various Heraldry code bases were accidentallly omitted from the Heraldlry proposal: Kevin Turner: kevin at janrain.com Dag Arneson: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Grant

Re: Blaze and Openness of Standards (was Re: [Proposal] Blaze)

2006-08-03 Thread Brian McCallister
I'm quite happy to have it come to a vote, but I would like to see the specification issue laid to rest before graduation :-) -Brian On Aug 2, 2006, at 10:26 PM, Cliff Schmidt wrote: Brian, As the Champion for this proposal, I'd like to move this on to a vote. I just read all the related po

Re: Blaze and Openness of Standards (was Re: [Proposal] Blaze)

2006-08-03 Thread Carl Trieloff
That is acceptable, and very reasonable, thank you Carl. Brian McCallister wrote: I'm quite happy to have it come to a vote, but I would like to see the specification issue laid to rest before graduation :-) -Brian On Aug 2, 2006, at 10:26 PM, Cliff Schmidt wrote: Brian, As the Champion f

[VOTE] Accept Glasgow into Incubator

2006-08-03 Thread Cliff Schmidt
I believe all open questions about the Glasgow proposal (originally submitted as "Blaze") have now been addressed enough to call a vote for accepting the project for incubation. Therefore, as the champion of this project, I am calling a vote. As usual, the binding votes will be those case by Inc

Re: [VOTE] Accept Glasgow into Incubator

2006-08-03 Thread Davanum Srinivas
+1 from me. On 8/3/06, Cliff Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I believe all open questions about the Glasgow proposal (originally submitted as "Blaze") have now been addressed enough to call a vote for accepting the project for incubation. Therefore, as the champion of this project, I am call

Re: Blaze and Openness of Standards (was Re: [Proposal] Blaze)

2006-08-03 Thread Cliff Schmidt
Just as I was posting the vote thread for the Glasgow project, I saw Noel had updated the new wiki page with a concern about the name collision with the old Sun codename for their JavaBeans Activiation Framework (see http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/GlasgowProposal?action=diff&rev2=2&rev1=1). I

Re: [VOTE] Accept Glasgow into Incubator

2006-08-03 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
+1 (non-binding) from me too On 8/3/06, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: +1 from me. On 8/3/06, Cliff Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I believe all open questions about the Glasgow proposal (originally > submitted as "Blaze") have now been addressed enough to call a vote > for a

Re: [VOTE] Accept Glasgow into Incubator

2006-08-03 Thread Craig L Russell
+1 (non-binding) from me. Craig On Aug 3, 2006, at 9:52 AM, Cliff Schmidt wrote: I believe all open questions about the Glasgow proposal (originally submitted as "Blaze") have now been addressed enough to call a vote for accepting the project for incubation. Therefore, as the champion of this

RE: [VOTE] Accept Glasgow into Incubator

2006-08-03 Thread Coach Wei
+1 (non binding) from me. A question unrelated to voting: What is the possible (estimated) minimum implementation footprint (in term of kilobytes or megabytes) to support AMQP network wire-level protocol? I am asking this thinking of the possibility of using AMQP protocol in mobile applications su

Re: [VOTE] Accept Glasgow into Incubator

2006-08-03 Thread Jason van Zyl
+1 On 3 Aug 06, at 12:52 PM 3 Aug 06, Cliff Schmidt wrote: I believe all open questions about the Glasgow proposal (originally submitted as "Blaze") have now been addressed enough to call a vote for accepting the project for incubation. Therefore, as the champion of this project, I am calling

Re: [VOTE] Accept Glasgow into Incubator

2006-08-03 Thread Cliff Schmidt
Coach, If you don't view your question as related to the vote, would you mind reposting it to a separate or an existing thread about Glasgow? Maybe it's just my personal preference, but I like to keep vote threads to just votes and critical questions that were missed in the prior discussion (w

Re: [VOTE] Accept Glasgow into Incubator

2006-08-03 Thread Jim Jagielski
+1 On Aug 3, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Cliff Schmidt wrote: I believe all open questions about the Glasgow proposal (originally submitted as "Blaze") have now been addressed enough to call a vote for accepting the project for incubation. Therefore, as the champion of this project, I am calling a vote

Re: [VOTE] Accept Glasgow into Incubator

2006-08-03 Thread J Aaron Farr
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Minimum footprint question about Glasgow

2006-08-03 Thread Coach Wei
Per Cliff Schmidt's suggestion, reposting the question here instead - so please respond using this new thread: What is the possible (estimated) minimum implementation footprint (in term of kilobytes or megabytes) to support AMQP network wire-level protocol? I am asking this thinking of the possibi

Re: [VOTE] Accept Glasgow into Incubator

2006-08-03 Thread sophitia que
+1

Re: [VOTE] Accept Glasgow into Incubator

2006-08-03 Thread Cliff Schmidt
Coach, If you don't view your question as related to the vote, would you mind reposting it to a separate or an existing thread about Glasgow? Maybe it's just my personal preference, but I like to keep vote threads to just votes and critical questions that were missed in the prior discussion (w

Re: Accept Glasgow into Incubator - Spec Terms

2006-08-03 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
I'm sorry, but respectfully -1 this proposal as written. My specific objection is to the language below, I don't see anything otherwise objectionable in the proposal. The ASF does not recognize corporate members; all of our contributions are measured on an individual basis and individual merit.

Re: [VOTE] Accept Glasgow into Incubator

2006-08-03 Thread Garrett Rooney
I'm sorry, but I have to vote -1 (binding). I'm not in favor of the ASF endorsing a specification that seems to be completely under the control of a small number of companies with no way for new developers to participate in its development. The fact that we have done this in the past is unfortun

Re: [VOTE] Accept Glasgow into Incubator

2006-08-03 Thread Mads Toftum
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 05:54:14PM -0400, Garrett Rooney wrote: > I'm sorry, but I have to vote -1 (binding). > I very much agree with Garretts concerns - and would be much in favor of not bringing the project into incubation before they have proven an actual community and that they can work the s

Re: [VOTE] Accept Glasgow into Incubator

2006-08-03 Thread Brian McCallister
-1 I think that this project is premature until the spec is in an open, inclusive process or at an acceptable standards body with compatible licensing terms. I would embrace this project were it so. The project is supposed to be implementations of a "standard protocol" but the protocol in questi

Too many licenses? Was: [vote] Accept Glasgow

2006-08-03 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Garrett Rooney wrote: > AMQP seems to be moving in this > direction, they've got some sort of agreement you can sign in order to > provide them feedback I have a question, can anyone summarize how contributions under the ASL would be weaker or stronger than contributions under this RLA? I'd like

horses and carts; was: Accept Glasgow into Incubator

2006-08-03 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Mads, I'm not sure if you meant to vote, but it raises a dialog so I'm forking the subject. Mads Toftum wrote: > I very much agree with Garretts concerns - and would be much in favor of > not bringing the project into incubation before they have proven an > actual community and that they can work

Re: horses and carts; was: Accept Glasgow into Incubator

2006-08-03 Thread Garrett Rooney
On 8/3/06, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mads, I'm not sure if you meant to vote, but it raises a dialog so I'm forking the subject. Mads Toftum wrote: > I very much agree with Garretts concerns - and would be much in favor of > not bringing the project into incubation before t

Re: Too many licenses? Was: [vote] Accept Glasgow

2006-08-03 Thread Carl Trieloff
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Garrett Rooney wrote: AMQP seems to be moving in this direction, they've got some sort of agreement you can sign in order to provide them feedback I have a question, can anyone summarize how contributions under the ASL would be weaker or stronger than contri

Re: Accept Glasgow into Incubator - Spec Terms

2006-08-03 Thread Carl Trieloff
The ASF does not recognize corporate members; Incorrect - Apace has a CCLA, and requires your employer to sign it From icla " For the purposes of this definition, "control" means (i) the power, direct or indirect, to cause the direction or management of such entity, whether by contract or

Re: Accept Glasgow into Incubator - Spec Terms

2006-08-03 Thread Carl Trieloff
(Correction) Looking, at this further the the CCLA is just concerned about IP, I might have miss-read and miss-stated. No need to start a thread based on my miss-read. and to If the contributor wish, and if under these terms their contributions merits participation, that contributor should ei

Re: Too many licenses? Was: [vote] Accept Glasgow

2006-08-03 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Carl Trieloff wrote: > William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: >> >> I have a question, can anyone summarize how contributions under the ASL >> would be weaker or stronger than contributions under this RLA? >> > Legally they are most likely much the same - I think the questions you > ask implies something >

Re: Too many licenses? Was: [vote] Accept Glasgow

2006-08-03 Thread Carl Trieloff
y question came down to this; if someone offers a patch, which then suggests an improvement to the spec, does the ASL (which covers -everything- that is offered to the ASF) adequately correspond to the RLA terms to satisfy the spec committee? If so there's no issue; in fact it would be sufficien

Re: Too many licenses? Was: [vote] Accept Glasgow

2006-08-03 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > Carl Trieloff wrote: > >> I think this is one of the options we can look at to have any member of >> the project provide feedback to the spec working group - however it seems >> presumptuous to use the ASL or work out details like this before we are >> accepted in inc

Re: Too many licenses? Was: [vote] Accept Glasgow

2006-08-03 Thread Carl Trieloff
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Carl Trieloff wrote: I think this is one of the options we can look at to have any member of the project provide feedback to the spec working group - however it seems presumptuous to use the ASL or work out details like this befor

Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate Wicket

2006-08-03 Thread Alex Karasulu
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On 8/3/06, Alex Karasulu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > ...BTW, if it's useful I'd be happy to help as an additional mentor... ...We welcome you. There can never be enough mentors. ok, so feel free to add my name to the list! Done!

Re: [VOTE] Accept Glasgow into Incubator

2006-08-03 Thread Kim van der Riet
+1 (non-binding) On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 09:52 -0700, Cliff Schmidt wrote: > I believe all open questions about the Glasgow proposal (originally > submitted as "Blaze") have now been addressed enough to call a vote > for accepting the project for incubation. > > Therefore, as the champion of this

Re: Accept Glasgow into Incubator - Spec Terms

2006-08-03 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Carl Trieloff wrote: > (Correction) > Looking, at this further the the CCLA is just concerned about IP, I might have > miss-read and miss-stated. No need to start a thread based on my miss-read. Right. The CCLA exists to *protect* that very same individual-contributor orientation of the ASF. No

Re: [RESULT] NOMINATION: Craig Russell

2006-08-03 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
It's a good thing to notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]; I think the vote was not public, isn't it ? Maybe we should put it to the guide lines; that for non-public votes the result shouldn't posted only only the *involved* group's list; also to [EMAIL PROTECTED] @Craig: congrats! -Matthias On 8/3/06,

[RESULT] NOMINATION: Craig Russell

2006-08-03 Thread Henri Yandell
Notifying [EMAIL PROTECTED] of the vote at Roller for Craig Russell to have karma. +1s from: Dave Johnson Allen Gilliland Anil Gangolli Matt Raible Elias Torres Henri Yandell (PMC) Ted Husted (PMC) Noel Bergman (PMC) Hen - To