Re: Review-Then-Commit

2009-11-13 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 5:30 AM, Doug Cutting wrote: > Aidan Skinner wrote: >> >> I'd flip this around and look at it from the PoV of a >> not-yet-committer. RTC means everybody goes through basically the same >> process - (raise jira), hack, submit patch, patch gets reviewed, patch >> gets commit

Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for November 2009 ("Aries Developers" )

2009-11-13 Thread David Crossley
David Crossley wrote: > Kevan Miller wrote: > > Upayavira wrote: > > > > > >My question is, why is Clutch reporting the Aries developer list as > > >being gene...@? Presumbaly this is something that the Aries developers > > >should be fixing. > > > > So, if I'm interpreting clutch.py correctly, lo

Re: maven releases at Apache (what does this have to do with: [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion)

2009-11-13 Thread Brian E. Fox
Thanks Brett, I kept meaning to separate the maven project parts from the common ones, and this is a good start. --Brian (mobile) On Nov 13, 2009, at 2:29 AM, Brett Porter wrote: For unrelated reasons, I today split out the Apache-ness part of the Maven release process (still syncing): h

Re: Explanation of the extra pain (was: Two other issues to discuss for Subversion)

2009-11-13 Thread Davanum Srinivas
I agree with Joe. thanks, dims On 11/13/2009 03:50 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: - Original Message From: Greg Stein To: general@incubator.apache.org Sent: Fri, November 13, 2009 12:23:04 PM Subject: Explanation of the extra pain (was: Two other issues to discuss for Subversion) Ok

Re: Review-Then-Commit

2009-11-13 Thread Doug Cutting
Aidan Skinner wrote: I'd flip this around and look at it from the PoV of a not-yet-committer. RTC means everybody goes through basically the same process - (raise jira), hack, submit patch, patch gets reviewed, patch gets committed regardless of whether they have a commit bit or not. +1 With RT

Re: Review-Then-Commit

2009-11-13 Thread Doug Cutting
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: As I understood Owen's "Intro to Hadoop" talk at AC, Hadoop has changed their methodology lately to CTR and found it to work far better. (Duh.) -- justin Hadoop uses RTC. Doug - To unsubscribe, e-ma

Re: Explanation of the extra pain (was: Two other issues to discuss for Subversion)

2009-11-13 Thread Joe Schaefer
- Original Message > From: Greg Stein > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Sent: Fri, November 13, 2009 12:23:04 PM > Subject: Explanation of the extra pain (was: Two other issues to discuss for > Subversion) > Okay. I *think* that is pretty much the background/rationale (please >

Explanation of the extra pain (was: Two other issues to discuss for Subversion)

2009-11-13 Thread Greg Stein
In reference to Gilles' question about why we normally ask podling to take on a bit of pain for double-migration, I think Leo answered that very well [on this other thread]. That the reason focuses mostly around making representations to users. "this is an Incubator project, not a full Apache proje

RE: [last call] setting up Subversion mailing lists (was: Two otherissues to discuss for Subversion)

2009-11-13 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> I expect very few projects to ask for this special treatment. Place your bets ... --- Noel smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature

RE: Incubator Releases: mandatory or optional? Purpose?

2009-11-13 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > IMHO a podling should know how to cut an ASF release > the easiest way to demonstrate this knowledge is to cut a release > but it's not the only way. I don't have an argument with any of those three points. I also suggest that there is a difference between preparin

Re: Incubator Releases: mandatory or optional? Purpose?

2009-11-13 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Greg Stein wrote: > >> > IIRC, Martijn has offered a proper legal review in the place of a > "release". >> > This sounded pretty reasonable to me. I would agree to that. > >> Yup. I've already stated that I have no problems with running RAT

Incubator Releases: mandatory or optional? Purpose?

2009-11-13 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Greg Stein wrote: > > IIRC, Martijn has offered a proper legal review in the place of a "release". > > This sounded pretty reasonable to me. I would agree to that. > Yup. I've already stated that I have no problems with running RAT and > working through those issues. Might have been hard to see i

RE: Insanity (of the release process)

2009-11-13 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> > 1) PPMC must vote for the release according to their rules (which > > should at least match the 3 +1 / majority rule requirements) > > 2) at least one PMC member must vote +1 (usually the mentor) > Well.. let's call this the "expedited" form of release. It leaves the > PPMC a bit more self-suf

Re: Insanity. Apache Incubator should be about education

2009-11-13 Thread Greg Stein
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 12:06, Jukka Zitting wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:51 AM, Greg Stein wrote: >> But your above paragraph is some conflation of release practices, >> legal review, and how this fits into graduation requirements. And I >> just got done with a frustrating several

Re: Insanity. Apache Incubator should be about education

2009-11-13 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:51 AM, Greg Stein wrote: > But your above paragraph is some conflation of release practices, > legal review, and how this fits into graduation requirements. And I > just got done with a frustrating several days on that issue. What do > you want? Sorry, I must have b

Re: [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion

2009-11-13 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Nov 11, 2009, at 5:35 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote: > Dan, > > "It's up to each project to get their releases correct" - Yes. But not > everyone hangs out on the d...@maven or gene...@incubator. Hence the request > to broadcast. > > I really don't understand the "why?" - No one is trying to

Re: Insanity. Apache Incubator should be about education

2009-11-13 Thread Craig L Russell
With a few days of additional information now available, I'll stick my finger into the soup again. What the incubator wants/needs/requires is that the community understand how to make and vote on a release, and that the release conforms to Apache legal standards. I would be happy to split

Re: [last call] setting up Subversion mailing lists (was: Two other issues to discuss for Subversion)

2009-11-13 Thread Craig L Russell
No objection from me for creating mailing lists and svn repo in the expected final place. It's a bit of a pain for podlings to face a double move of both their repositories and mailing lists when arriving at Apache. The rationale for doing it has many aspects that IMHO don't apply to the S

Re: [last call] setting up Subversion mailing lists (was: Two other issues to discuss for Subversion)

2009-11-13 Thread Gilles Scokart
Same remark here than for the svn migration. As this is unusual for the incubating project, it might be eductive for the future poddling to describe why the incubator wants normaly to have incubator mailing list and why this rational is not applicable to subversion. Gilles Scokart 2009/11/13 G

Re: [last call] svn repository moving Sunday (was: Two other issues to discuss for Subversion)

2009-11-13 Thread Gilles Scokart
As this is unusual for the incubating project, it might be eductive for the future poddling to describe why the incubator wants normaly to to have the project under /incubator/ and why this rational is not applicable to subversion. Don't misunderstand me, I think it is good to have such exception

Re: [last call] setting up Subversion mailing lists (was: Two other issues to discuss for Subversion)

2009-11-13 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 12:59 AM, Greg Stein wrote: > Joe Schaefer asked if he could set up the mailing lists this weekend. > The discussion seemed to end, with no particular opposition, so I > filed an Infrastructure ticket to track the creation of the mailing > lists: >  https://issues.apache.or