Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-06-27 Thread Emmanuel Lecharny
On 6/28/11 7:49 AM, berndf wrote: Hi everyone, this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling. +1 -- Regards, Cordialement, Emmanuel Lécharny www.iktek.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org F

Re: [PROPOSAL] Deft for incubation

2011-06-27 Thread Ashish
+1 On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 3:37 AM, Niklas Gustavsson wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to propose Deft to be an Apache Incubator project. Deft > is a non-blocking, asynchronous, event driven high performance web > framework running on the JVM. > > Here's a link to the proposal in the Incubator wiki:

Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-06-27 Thread Martijn Dashorst
+1 Martijn On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 7:49 AM, berndf wrote: > Hi everyone, > > this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling. > > 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of > becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and > developers are changi

Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-27 Thread Ross Gardler
I'm top posting because you've answered most of the immediate issues I had. I apologise for not having looked deeper and found the activity you are referring to. I was clearly only looking at top level mailing lists. Thanks for taking the time to point me in the right direction, that kenai site is

[VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-06-27 Thread berndf
Hi everyone, this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling. 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and developers are changing frequently without notifications on the public lists. Mentors are M.I.

Re: KEYS and releases

2011-06-27 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hey Hyrum, Thanks! Cheers, Chris On Jun 27, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Hyrum K Wright wrote: > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) > wrote: >> Yep, makes sense. Like I told Benson, I wasn't exactly sure if the mirroring >> system were read only downstream of the Apache root so

Re: KEYS and releases

2011-06-27 Thread Hyrum K Wright
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > Yep, makes sense. Like I told Benson, I wasn't exactly sure if the mirroring > system were read only downstream of the Apache root sources (IOW, I thought > we had more control then in reality we did). > > BTW, if someone could p

Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-27 Thread Craig L Russell
On Jun 27, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: Rob Weir wrote on Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 19:00:50 -0400: Hi Dennis, If I understand correctly, the practice at Apache would be to remove these legacy copyright statements and aggregate them int

Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-27 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > Rob Weir wrote on Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 19:00:50 -0400: >> Hi Dennis, >> >> If I understand correctly, the practice at Apache would be to remove >> these legacy copyright statements and aggregate them into a single >> NOTICE document.  This wo

Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-27 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Rob Weir wrote on Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 19:00:50 -0400: > Hi Dennis, > > If I understand correctly, the practice at Apache would be to remove > these legacy copyright statements and aggregate them into a single > NOTICE document. This would be true, even if it says "DO NOT ALTER OR > REMOVE". I i

Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-27 Thread Dave Fisher
Keep in mind this thread is in three places or two places or one place all depending on how people have replied. It will be confusing. Please include POI-DEV so we can discuss it here without going everywhere else as well. On Jun 27, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > FYI Apache OpenOffic

Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-27 Thread Sam Ruby
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > Hi Dennis, > > If I understand correctly, the practice at Apache would be to remove > these legacy copyright statements and aggregate them into a single > NOTICE document.  This would be true, even if it says "DO NOT ALTER OR > REMOVE".  I imagine

Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-27 Thread Kazunari Hirano
Hi Rob and all, Please help a non-English speaker, it's me :) , in the midst of jargon; ODF, Apache, OASIS, ISO/IEC JTC1, OpenOffice, LibreOffice, Symphony, KOffice/Calligra, Microsoft Office, Corel Wordperfect, Google Docs, ODFDOM, DOM API, Conformance Tools, XSLTRunner, AODL, C#/.NET, Java, PDFB

Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-27 Thread Rob Weir
Hi Dennis, If I understand correctly, the practice at Apache would be to remove these legacy copyright statements and aggregate them into a single NOTICE document. This would be true, even if it says "DO NOT ALTER OR REMOVE". I imagine they would even tear off those tags on mattresses. -Rob On

Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-27 Thread Dave Fisher
FYI Apache OpenOffice.org podling has been active for two weeks. Information is here. http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal http://incubator.apache.org/projects/openofficeorg.html http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/ What do the people here on the POI project think of gettin

Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-27 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Lee Fisher wrote: >> There is activity.  It just is not evenly distributed. > [...] > > I presume the activity is more in the Java libraries. :-) > I not asking you to presume anything. I'm just following up on interest expressed on this list a few weeks ago. I

Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-27 Thread Lee Fisher
> There is activity. It just is not evenly distributed. [...] I presume the activity is more in the Java libraries. :-) As for activity in the AODL, the .NET library: The home page's link to source is broken. http://odftoolkit.org/projects/aodl/pages/Home points to: http://odftoolkit.org/sourc

Re: KEYS and releases

2011-06-27 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Yep, makes sense. Like I told Benson, I wasn't exactly sure if the mirroring system were read only downstream of the Apache root sources (IOW, I thought we had more control then in reality we did). BTW, if someone could point me to a document where this is described, that would certainly help m

RE: KEYS and releases

2011-06-27 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Chris, This is related to why it also matters how you get and verify your browser. If someone were to successfully distribute a build of Firefox or Chrome with bogus root certs, they could potentially do a lot of damage. --- Noel

Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-27 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > Thanks Rob, > > Looking I've the Kenai site I notice that there is as good as no visible > activity within the project. You mention that the "ODF Toolkit Union Steering > Committee" met and approved the idea of this proposal, but this is not

Re: KEYS and releases

2011-06-27 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Gotcha! OK makes sense. I wasn't sure how the mirroring system worked, and whether or not the mirrors were read-only downstream of the Apache source (I guess we can't ensure that, right?) If that's the case, then I'm +1 for what you're saying. Cheers, Chris On Jun 27, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Benson

Re: KEYS and releases

2011-06-27 Thread Benson Margulies
Mirrors. Lots of non-apache people work for all those many companies that operate all those many, many, mirrors. On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > Hi Benson, > > On Jun 27, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > >> Chris, >> >> If my goal was to hoodwink y

Re: KEYS and releases

2011-06-27 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Benson, On Jun 27, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > Chris, > > If my goal was to hoodwink you, I'd create a bogus key that claimed to > be owned by an Apache person, put it in a KEYS file, and include in > the release, and sign the release with it. If I was lucky, you'd just > veri

Re: KEYS and releases

2011-06-27 Thread Benson Margulies
Chris, If my goal was to hoodwink you, I'd create a bogus key that claimed to be owned by an Apache person, put it in a KEYS file, and include in the release, and sign the release with it. If I was lucky, you'd just verify the release with the embedded key, and I'd have succeeded. We want people t

RE: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-27 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I support this idea. I think with regard to need for an SGA or not, there is the matter of the current headings at the tops of source files. (I have no idea what is required, I'm simply observing what is there.) - Dennis "/***

Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-27 Thread Ross Gardler
Thanks Rob, Looking I've the Kenai site I notice that there is as good as no visible activity within the project. You mention that the "ODF Toolkit Union Steering Committee" met and approved the idea of this proposal, but this is not visible so we don't know what this means. What interest is

Re: KEYS and releases

2011-06-27 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
On Jun 27, 2011, at 12:58 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: >> we copy a KEYS file into that directory upon succesful VOTE of the release >> artifacts (which also include the KEYS file). > > Perhaps, but the point we're getting at was explicitly stated by Benson, > "The goal here is to allow and encoura

RE: KEYS and releases

2011-06-27 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> we copy a KEYS file into that directory upon succesful VOTE of the release > artifacts (which also include the KEYS file). Perhaps, but the point we're getting at was explicitly stated by Benson, "The goal here is to allow and encourage consumers to independently verify signatures. That calls f

ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-27 Thread Rob Weir
I'm cc'ing the POI and OpenOffice projects, inviting them to join this discussion on the Incubator general list: general@incubator.apache.org When we were discussing the OpenOffice proposal a few weeks ago I mentioned that there was another set of technology called the ODF Toolkit, that we might w

Re: KEYS and releases

2011-06-27 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi All, Just for clarification here (since Gora was specifically called out), we also maintain KEYS files in the podling dist directory as well. However, we copy a KEYS file into that directory upon succesful VOTE of the release artifacts (which also include the KEYS file). So it's not either

Re: KEYS and releases

2011-06-27 Thread Benson Margulies
It seems to me that KEYS in the release is somewhat counterproductive. The goal here is to allow and encourage consumers to independently verify signatures. That calls for KEYS somewhere else than inside the package. On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > Jukka Zitting wrote on M

Re: [PROPOSAL] Deft for incubation

2011-06-27 Thread Emmanuel Lécharny
On 6/27/11 1:20 PM, Niklas Gustavsson wrote: On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Emmanuel Lecharny wrote: Interesting. May be it can revive the AsyncWeb project. There is an obvious connection, so some collaboration would be of interest. Yes, as it's mentioned in the wiki. This is why I'm inter

Re: [PROPOSAL] Deft for incubation

2011-06-27 Thread Niklas Gustavsson
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Emmanuel Lecharny wrote: > Interesting. May be it can revive the AsyncWeb project. There is an obvious connection, so some collaboration would be of interest. > If this project needs a mentor, I can be one of them. You would be very welcome. Feel free to sign up

Fwd: [VOTE] Release Apache log4php 2.1.0

2011-06-27 Thread Christian Grobmeier
PMCs - we are currently voting on the next log4php release (see below). Please take yourself a few minutes and participate in the vote. I am - unfortunately - the only PMC involved in log4php, so we need your voices Cheers Christian -- Forwarded message -- From: Ivan Habunek D

Re: [PROPOSAL] Deft for incubation

2011-06-27 Thread Emmanuel Lecharny
On 6/27/11 12:37 PM, Niklas Gustavsson wrote: Hi, I would like to propose Deft to be an Apache Incubator project. Deft is a non-blocking, asynchronous, event driven high performance web framework running on the JVM. Here's a link to the proposal in the Incubator wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/inc

Re: KEYS and releases

2011-06-27 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Jukka Zitting wrote on Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:07:11 +0200: > Hi, > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > It seems to me to be a bad idea to distribute keys with releases.  And don't > > we already have some ASF-wide policy for managing keys? > > http://www.apache.org/dev

Re: [PROPOSAL] Deft for incubation

2011-06-27 Thread Ioannis Canellos
Very interesting stuff. Good luck with the proposal! On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Niklas Gustavsson wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to propose Deft to be an Apache Incubator project. Deft > is a non-blocking, asynchronous, event driven high performance web > framework running on the JVM. > > He

[PROPOSAL] Deft for incubation

2011-06-27 Thread Niklas Gustavsson
Hi, I would like to propose Deft to be an Apache Incubator project. Deft is a non-blocking, asynchronous, event driven high performance web framework running on the JVM. Here's a link to the proposal in the Incubator wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DeftProposal As you will note, the list

Re: KEYS and releases

2011-06-27 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > It seems to me to be a bad idea to distribute keys with releases.  And don't > we already have some ASF-wide policy for managing keys? http://www.apache.org/dev/release-signing.html#keys-policy http://incubator.apache.org/guides/relea

Re: KEYS and releases

2011-06-27 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
+1 KEYS should not be distributed with a release, even if the central key infrastructure is not used, at least release manager should point people checking the release to where they can find the KEYS so they can check release signatures, which is normally the way used with most of the projects I